Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:57:02 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

snip
Horse taken to water, horse refused to drink for the jillionth time. Not
news!

Typical Arnold stuff.

A total waste of a post.

You are just being evasive, Weil. You're running away!

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:27:49 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:04:47 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
. ..

To elaborate, if someone can't tell
the difference between, say, an SET and a Denon, they shouldn't be
expressing an opinion in the first place.

That would depend on which SET and which Denon and the other details of
the
tests.

I'm obviously speaking of an amp that measures "differently" and
"sounds" differently.

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not* sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

Of course, *all* amplifiers *measure* differently - but what does that
matter? Naturally, the 'Golden-Eared Subjectivists' will all *claim*
that they are 'night and day', as you have implied above, but it ain't
necessarily so.

And frankly, Weil has zero track record for spending any reasonable amount
of effort to find out.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 13:27:49 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:04:47 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
. ..

To elaborate, if someone can't tell
the difference between, say, an SET and a Denon, they shouldn't be
expressing an opinion in the first place.

That would depend on which SET and which Denon and the other details of
the
tests.

I'm obviously speaking of an amp that measures "differently" and
"sounds" differently.

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not* sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

Of course, *all* amplifiers *measure* differently - but what does that
matter? Naturally, the 'Golden-Eared Subjectivists' will all *claim*
that they are 'night and day', as you have implied above, but it ain't
necessarily so.

And frankly, Weil has zero track record for spending any reasonable amount
of effort to find out.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not* sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not* sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Stewart Pinkerton wrote
JBorg wrote:
Stewrat Pinkerton wrote:



" If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of
£1,000 to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables. "



Are you still sure about this offer at RAO ?





I don't read r.a.o, but the offer stands.


Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your ass every time you do, every
time.


Keep your stupidity at Uk.rec.audio if that's what they want.
You are an English embarrassment, and a coward to boot..


HELllllllooooooooo ??

Of course, it doesn't help if you're deaf...........


..... and watch those snip job you delightfully do, Mr. Scam Artist.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Stewart Pinkerton wrote
JBorg wrote:
Stewrat Pinkerton wrote:



" If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of
£1,000 to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables. "



Are you still sure about this offer at RAO ?





I don't read r.a.o, but the offer stands.


Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your ass every time you do, every
time.


Keep your stupidity at Uk.rec.audio if that's what they want.
You are an English embarrassment, and a coward to boot..


HELllllllooooooooo ??

Of course, it doesn't help if you're deaf...........


..... and watch those snip job you delightfully do, Mr. Scam Artist.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"dave weil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:42:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not*
sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

The old ABX site tested exactly zero SETs.

You lose Weil.

Again.

Try checking your facts next time...

OK, 10 watt tube amp then. whatever *that* was.

Push pull, power tetrodes with loop feedback.

Prove it.

Please see http://www.mods.com/heath-hifi/schema.html . I really don't know
which Heath amp it was, but the reference shows that *all* or virtually all
Heath tubed HiFi amps of the day had those features.

As far as I know from
the site, it *could* be an SET, so I only "partially" lose.

You could have asked for more relevant facts if you had the brains and
decency to do so, Weil.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

"dave weil" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:42:23 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:37:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


"dave weil" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:46:10 -0400, "Arny Krueger"

wrote:

And I can put up a SET amp and a Denon which I'd bet will *not*
sound
differently at normal listening levels................

Right, but Weil apparently doesn't know that.

The ole ABX site didn't seem to think so...

The old ABX site tested exactly zero SETs.

You lose Weil.

Again.

Try checking your facts next time...

OK, 10 watt tube amp then. whatever *that* was.

Push pull, power tetrodes with loop feedback.

Prove it.

Please see http://www.mods.com/heath-hifi/schema.html . I really don't know
which Heath amp it was, but the reference shows that *all* or virtually all
Heath tubed HiFi amps of the day had those features.

As far as I know from
the site, it *could* be an SET, so I only "partially" lose.

You could have asked for more relevant facts if you had the brains and
decency to do so, Weil.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On 24 Sep 2003 19:06:52 -0700, (JBorg) wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote
JBorg wrote:
Stewrat Pinkerton wrote:

" If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of
£1,000 to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables. "

Are you still sure about this offer at RAO ?

I don't read r.a.o, but the offer stands.

Well you ought to stay off RAO from making a fraudulent, deceptive
offer 'cause I will personally kick your ass every time you do, every
time.

Judging by your posts so far, you couldn't find your own ass with both
hands, never mind kick anyone else's. The offer is genuine, has been
on the table for years, and none of you gutless wonders has even
*tried* to collect it.

Keep your stupidity at Uk.rec.audio if that's what they want.

I do. Some other clown cross-posted this thread to r.a.o. Clearly, you
prefer that brain-dead environment.

You are an English embarrassment, and a coward to boot..

I'm Scottish, and I'm the one putting his cash where his mouth is,
unlike you..........
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering