Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:18:46 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:33:08 +0100, "MrBitsy"
wrote:
[snip]

BTW, your assertion that a set of interconnects 'flooded you system
with bass' is fundamentally impossible.

Not impossible if you intepret his subjective experience, rather than take
it literally. When treble is knocked out, some individuals perceive the
result as increased bass. Apparently, their brain has some kind of a
broad-band energy weighting scheme which fails to differentiate.

That's true enough, in the same way that a subwoofer can smooth out
the treble.

Also, there are some pathological cables out there -- the ones with little
terminator boxes. These are quite capable of the effect.

Indeed yes! :-(

[snip]

Indeed they will - buy the cheapest that seem solidly constructed.
--
I'm inclined to agree with you, but not absolutely sure. Have you examined
the work of your countryman, Macolm Hawksford?

Yup - he's a *seriously* mad Professor! :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
MrBitsy wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote:
Alex said:




It's a lot of information to take in but I would first like to
outline two systems that I've 'ended up' with (purely based on
reviews and user opinions):

Book a session at your local Richer Sounds or similar (i.e. NOT a
"high-end" audio shop) to listen to a selection of speakers. These,
and where you put them in your room, make by far the most difference.

Spend around £100 on an amp, rather less on a CD player. (Richer
sounds use the "Cambridge Audio" name now. It's not the old Cambridge
Audio stuff, but it's pretty good, and inexpensive).

Don't believe a word of what they tell you about interconnects. Go to
Maplins or your local electrical shop and buy something multi-stranded
and as thick as will go into the terminals for the speakers.

With the greatest respect, that is not good advice. I have tried several
different interconnects on my system and they do affect the sound at the
speakers. One set of costly interconnects flooded my system with bass.



With the greatest respect, that was *excellent* advice. [...]

If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of £1,000
to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, [...]



You sure 'bout this proclamation you made above?

If not, kindly cease and desist from making further comment to this
thread at RAO.



the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables.


Ok.


BTW, your assertion that a set of interconnects 'flooded you system
with bass' is fundamentally impossible.


Whatever the technical aspects of this are - interconnects are important
and should be listened on your test system. Richer sounds will have a
selection for you to try in a listening session.

Indeed they will - buy the cheapest that seem solidly constructed.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
MrBitsy wrote:
Laurence Payne wrote:
Alex said:




It's a lot of information to take in but I would first like to
outline two systems that I've 'ended up' with (purely based on
reviews and user opinions):

Book a session at your local Richer Sounds or similar (i.e. NOT a
"high-end" audio shop) to listen to a selection of speakers. These,
and where you put them in your room, make by far the most difference.

Spend around £100 on an amp, rather less on a CD player. (Richer
sounds use the "Cambridge Audio" name now. It's not the old Cambridge
Audio stuff, but it's pretty good, and inexpensive).

Don't believe a word of what they tell you about interconnects. Go to
Maplins or your local electrical shop and buy something multi-stranded
and as thick as will go into the terminals for the speakers.

With the greatest respect, that is not good advice. I have tried several
different interconnects on my system and they do affect the sound at the
speakers. One set of costly interconnects flooded my system with bass.



With the greatest respect, that was *excellent* advice. [...]

If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of £1,000
to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, [...]



You sure 'bout this proclamation you made above?

If not, kindly cease and desist from making further comment to this
thread at RAO.



the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables.


Ok.


BTW, your assertion that a set of interconnects 'flooded you system
with bass' is fundamentally impossible.


Whatever the technical aspects of this are - interconnects are important
and should be listened on your test system. Richer sounds will have a
selection for you to try in a listening session.

Indeed they will - buy the cheapest that seem solidly constructed.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

trotsky a écrit :
Lionel wrote:

trotsky a écrit :

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Whatever the technical aspects of this are - interconnects are
important and
should be listened on your test system. Richer sounds will have a
selection
for you to try in a listening session.


Indeed they will - buy the cheapest that seem solidly constructed.





Isn't that how you got married?


Starting from Pinkerton's statement there's also a good joke to make
with your speakers rather than his wife. ;o)


Hey Lionel--love your trains.

I understand... since you missed yours !

--
"Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your ass"
Bad Plus

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

trotsky a écrit :
Lionel wrote:

trotsky a écrit :

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Whatever the technical aspects of this are - interconnects are
important and
should be listened on your test system. Richer sounds will have a
selection
for you to try in a listening session.


Indeed they will - buy the cheapest that seem solidly constructed.





Isn't that how you got married?


Starting from Pinkerton's statement there's also a good joke to make
with your speakers rather than his wife. ;o)


Hey Lionel--love your trains.

I understand... since you missed yours !

--
"Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your ass"
Bad Plus

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On 19 Sep 2003 19:03:13 -0700, (JBorg) wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of £1,000
to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, [...]

You sure 'bout this proclamation you made above?

If not, kindly cease and desist from making further comment to this
thread at RAO.

Yes, I'm sure, and I'm posting from uk.rec.audio. I unsubscribed from
the cesspit that is RAO over a year ago.


the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables.

Ok.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On 19 Sep 2003 19:03:13 -0700, (JBorg) wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of £1,000
to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, [...]

You sure 'bout this proclamation you made above?

If not, kindly cease and desist from making further comment to this
thread at RAO.

Yes, I'm sure, and I'm posting from uk.rec.audio. I unsubscribed from
the cesspit that is RAO over a year ago.


the only proviso being that they measure +/- 0.1dB from
20-20kHz at the speaker terminals. This is trivially easy for all but
the most pathological cables.

Ok.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
JBorg wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:




If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of £1,000
to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, [...]

You sure 'bout this proclamation you made above?

If not, kindly cease and desist from making further comment to this
thread at RAO.



Yes, I'm sure, [...]



And so you are. If you're sure of what you have proclaimed, then you must
specify the conditions involved under your double-blind experiment.

For example, will you be using a "blackbox" or QSC device among other things
.... etc, etc.


http://www.qscstore.com/noname.html



In addition, how would you determine whether your participant positively
hears sound differences between the unit under test?


and I'm posting from uk.rec.audio.

So?


I unsubscribed from the cesspit that is RAO over a year ago.

And the reasons RAO is in the state as you said it is--is due to
charlatans such as yourself who unsurprisingly lie to himself
in order to mislead unsuspecting audiophiles.


From the original thread: The Truth about DBT vs Reality (RAO)


You admitted to have positive results after numerous DBTs,
yet you stated that:

"... I still imagine that there are differences. Luckily,
I now *know* that they are not physically present."


How did you differentiate the differences?


http://tinyurl.com/o2tk






Please make an effort to redeem yourself.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
JBorg wrote:
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:




If you really believe in 'cable sound', I have a standing offer of £1,000
to *anyone* who can tell apart any two cables under double-blind
conditions, [...]

You sure 'bout this proclamation you made above?

If not, kindly cease and desist from making further comment to this
thread at RAO.



Yes, I'm sure, [...]



And so you are. If you're sure of what you have proclaimed, then you must
specify the conditions involved under your double-blind experiment.

For example, will you be using a "blackbox" or QSC device among other things
.... etc, etc.


http://www.qscstore.com/noname.html



In addition, how would you determine whether your participant positively
hears sound differences between the unit under test?


and I'm posting from uk.rec.audio.

So?


I unsubscribed from the cesspit that is RAO over a year ago.

And the reasons RAO is in the state as you said it is--is due to
charlatans such as yourself who unsurprisingly lie to himself
in order to mislead unsuspecting audiophiles.


From the original thread: The Truth about DBT vs Reality (RAO)


You admitted to have positive results after numerous DBTs,
yet you stated that:

"... I still imagine that there are differences. Luckily,
I now *know* that they are not physically present."


How did you differentiate the differences?


http://tinyurl.com/o2tk






Please make an effort to redeem yourself.

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:18:46 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

I'm inclined to agree with you, but not absolutely sure. Have you
examined the work of your countryman, Macolm Hawksford?

Yup - he's a *seriously* mad Professor! :-)

Shame on you! He wears a very natty line in hats! :-)

Anyway, being 'eccentric' is a primary requirement for a professorship.
This is the one condition I've satisfied for ages... ;-

Slainte,

Jim

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