Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

dave weil a écrit :

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:32:20 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:


What do you mean by that? The listener decides when they are happy
that X is either A or B, the scoresheet determines whether they were
correct. It's certainly possible for the listener to record a 'no
difference', but I've never had one do that (out of a dozen or so). We
audiophiles like to think that we can *always* hear a difference! :-)





If you think thatscience has proved that virtually all amps are the
same (under your normal qualifications) why would you choose one over
the other? And, if you did, how would you score it?




Price ?

bread-roaster function ?

Rivetage de la gliture ?

Fragrance diffuser possibility ?

--
Lionel J. M. Chapuis
Unemployed Clown

(signed this way because of pending libel suit against Krueger scheduled
to begin on 9/20/03 per Mr. Wheeler - and the need to possibly provide
supportive documentary evidence that Mr. George M. Middius' daily
incitement to hatred, suicide, slandering, insults, murder is the real
guilty of Mr.Wheeler's grievances.)

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

dave weil a écrit :

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:32:20 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:


What do you mean by that? The listener decides when they are happy
that X is either A or B, the scoresheet determines whether they were
correct. It's certainly possible for the listener to record a 'no
difference', but I've never had one do that (out of a dozen or
so). We
audiophiles like to think that we can *always* hear a difference! :-)






If you think thatscience has proved that virtually all amps are the
same (under your normal qualifications) why would you choose one over
the other? And, if you did, how would you score it?





Price ?

bread-roaster function ?

Rivetage de la gliture ?

Fragrance diffuser possibility ?

Gliturage du rivet ?

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

Lionel a écrit :

dave weil a écrit :

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:32:20 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:


What do you mean by that? The listener decides when they are happy
that X is either A or B, the scoresheet determines whether they were
correct. It's certainly possible for the listener to record a 'no
difference', but I've never had one do that (out of a dozen or
so). We
audiophiles like to think that we can *always* hear a difference! :-)






If you think thatscience has proved that virtually all amps are the
same (under your normal qualifications) why would you choose one over
the other? And, if you did, how would you score it?





Price ?

bread-roaster function ?

Rivetage de la gliture ?

Fragrance diffuser possibility ?

Gliturage du rivet ?

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

snip crap


Lionel J. M. Chapuis
Unemployed Clown

(signed this way because of pending libel suit against Krueger scheduled
to begin on 9/20/03 per Mr. Wheeler - and the need to possibly provide
supportive documentary evidence that Mr. George M. Middius' daily
incitement to hatred, suicide, slandering, insults, murder is the real
guilty of Mr.Wheeler's grievances.)



I know the ole boy can be/is usually a bit on the obnoxious side, but this
is a bit strong innit?


(I *really* do wish people would scrape the RAO poop off before replying to
these cross-posted threads!)

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

snip crap


Lionel J. M. Chapuis
Unemployed Clown

(signed this way because of pending libel suit against Krueger scheduled
to begin on 9/20/03 per Mr. Wheeler - and the need to possibly provide
supportive documentary evidence that Mr. George M. Middius' daily
incitement to hatred, suicide, slandering, insults, murder is the real
guilty of Mr.Wheeler's grievances.)



I know the ole boy can be/is usually a bit on the obnoxious side, but this
is a bit strong innit?


(I *really* do wish people would scrape the RAO poop off before replying to
these cross-posted threads!)

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:55:31 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:46:55 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:18:46 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

I'm inclined to agree with you, but not absolutely sure. Have you
examined the work of your countryman, Macolm Hawksford?

Yup - he's a *seriously* mad Professor! :-)

Shame on you! He wears a very natty line in hats! :-)

Anyway, being 'eccentric' is a primary requirement for a professorship.
This is the one condition I've satisfied for ages... ;-

Ah, can I assume you're at St Andrews, rather than the Dundonian
alternatives? :-)

Yes, St Andrews. Does that set the seal on my eccentricity? :-)

Artyfartyness, certainly! :-)

Many many many moons ago, I was a lab tech at what's now Abertay.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:55:31 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:46:55 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:18:46 -0400, "Bob Morein"
wrote:

I'm inclined to agree with you, but not absolutely sure. Have you
examined the work of your countryman, Macolm Hawksford?

Yup - he's a *seriously* mad Professor! :-)

Shame on you! He wears a very natty line in hats! :-)

Anyway, being 'eccentric' is a primary requirement for a professorship.
This is the one condition I've satisfied for ages... ;-

Ah, can I assume you're at St Andrews, rather than the Dundonian
alternatives? :-)

Yes, St Andrews. Does that set the seal on my eccentricity? :-)

Artyfartyness, certainly! :-)

Many many many moons ago, I was a lab tech at what's now Abertay.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:31:02 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:32:20 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

What do you mean by that? The listener decides when they are happy
that X is either A or B, the scoresheet determines whether they were
correct. It's certainly possible for the listener to record a 'no
difference', but I've never had one do that (out of a dozen or so). We
audiophiles like to think that we can *always* hear a difference! :-)

If you think thatscience has proved that virtually all amps are the
same (under your normal qualifications) why would you choose one over
the other? And, if you did, how would you score it?

The test is there to verify that such is indeed the case for the amps
being compared. As you are well aware, not *all* amps came out the
same when I compared them, although this was about eight years ago.
You score it the same as any other test - but I'd expect mostly random
chance results these days, except from some of the 'boutique' amps
which are either deliberately 'voiced' or plain incompetent.

Having determined that there's no *sonic* difference, you would likely
go on to choose on power output, facilities, price and appearance.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:31:02 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:32:20 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

What do you mean by that? The listener decides when they are happy
that X is either A or B, the scoresheet determines whether they were
correct. It's certainly possible for the listener to record a 'no
difference', but I've never had one do that (out of a dozen or so). We
audiophiles like to think that we can *always* hear a difference! :-)

If you think thatscience has proved that virtually all amps are the
same (under your normal qualifications) why would you choose one over
the other? And, if you did, how would you score it?

The test is there to verify that such is indeed the case for the amps
being compared. As you are well aware, not *all* amps came out the
same when I compared them, although this was about eight years ago.
You score it the same as any other test - but I'd expect mostly random
chance results these days, except from some of the 'boutique' amps
which are either deliberately 'voiced' or plain incompetent.

Having determined that there's no *sonic* difference, you would likely
go on to choose on power output, facilities, price and appearance.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Advice needed on new Hi-Fi system
 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:46:58 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:31:02 -0500, dave weil
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:32:20 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

What do you mean by that? The listener decides when they are happy
that X is either A or B, the scoresheet determines whether they were
correct. It's certainly possible for the listener to record a 'no
difference', but I've never had one do that (out of a dozen or so). We
audiophiles like to think that we can *always* hear a difference! :-)

If you think that science has proved that virtually all amps are the
same (under your normal qualifications) why would you choose one over
the other? And, if you did, how would you score it?

The test is there to verify that such is indeed the case for the amps
being compared. As you are well aware, not *all* amps came out the
same when I compared them, although this was about eight years ago.

Actaully I'm not aware of that. I haven't been around that long. Can
you reproduce your findings (not all that interested in the exact
scoring, but just general conclusions)?

You score it the same as any other test - but I'd expect mostly random
chance results these days, except from some of the 'boutique' amps
which are either deliberately 'voiced' or plain incompetent.

I'm having trouble seeing how you'd score a "no difference". Aren't
you supposed to choose one amp or the other?

Also, do you think that it's impossible for an amp that's
'deliberately voiced" to sound 'as good" or "better" than the others,
i.e. are most amps pretty much perfect in amplifying signals?

Having determined that there's no *sonic* difference, you would likely
go on to choose on power output, facilities, price and appearance.

Realizing of course that power output can create a sonic difference,
of course. I'm assuming that you're assuming this.