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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

Pop radio however is never happy unless their modulation levels are at
near constant peak.

For me, the curio is the modulation level on BBC World Service, both on DAB
and on DTTV. This is well above that for, e.g. R4. I can appreciate that an
HF AM broadcast might benefit from squashing right up to full mod, but I
can't quite see the point here on DTTV and DAB... Makes me wonder if they
are just supplying DTTV/DAB with the same pre-compressed feed that is sent
for use for HF around the world.

Slainte,

Jim

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On Sun, 14 May 2006 09:52:22 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:

Pop radio however is never happy unless their modulation levels are at
near constant peak.

For me, the curio is the modulation level on BBC World Service, both on DAB
and on DTTV. This is well above that for, e.g. R4. I can appreciate that an
HF AM broadcast might benefit from squashing right up to full mod, but I
can't quite see the point here on DTTV and DAB... Makes me wonder if they
are just supplying DTTV/DAB with the same pre-compressed feed that is sent
for use for HF around the world.

Slainte,

Jim

They probably want to preserve the "house style" so it still sounds
like the World Service, however you listen.

d

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
Pop radio however is never happy unless their modulation levels are at
near constant peak.

For me, the curio is the modulation level on BBC World Service, both on
DAB and on DTTV. This is well above that for, e.g. R4. I can appreciate
that an HF AM broadcast might benefit from squashing right up to full
mod, but I can't quite see the point here on DTTV and DAB... Makes me
wonder if they are just supplying DTTV/DAB with the same pre-compressed
feed that is sent for use for HF around the world.

Only time I really listen to WS is after R4 closes down, and on DAB it
sounds truly diabolical. I've heard better 8-bit digital. ;-)

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On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:18:03 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:


Here also is the above-mentioned tuner - found this pic while I was looking
for the pic of the Sony!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/trio%20tuner.JPG

Now thats what I call a tuner:))

Pity it's been made obsolete by the audio feeds on Freeview :-)

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In article , Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom.? writes
On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:18:03 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:


Here also is the above-mentioned tuner - found this pic while I was looking
for the pic of the Sony!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/trio%20tuner.JPG

Now thats what I call a tuner:))

Pity it's been made obsolete by the audio feeds on Freeview :-)

Listen old son.. Let me tell and educate you.. that tuner is one of the
best in the world, ever!.

Its only limitation is what the broadcasters supply it with.

It will **** on DAB..well it would, but its too refined to do that!....
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:
Pop radio however is never happy unless their modulation levels are
at near constant peak.

For me, the curio is the modulation level on BBC World Service, both
on DAB and on DTTV. This is well above that for, e.g. R4. I can
appreciate that an HF AM broadcast might benefit from squashing right
up to full mod, but I can't quite see the point here on DTTV and
DAB... Makes me wonder if they are just supplying DTTV/DAB with the
same pre-compressed feed that is sent for use for HF around the world.

Only time I really listen to WS is after R4 closes down, and on DAB it
sounds truly diabolical. I've heard better 8-bit digital. ;-)

So have I. :-) However where I live the DAB WS is still far better than
on MW or HF. For large parts of the day it is essentially unreivable here
on MW/HF, and when it is, it generally suffers from all the defects of long
distance MW/HF. Whistles, other stations in the background, multipath
'phasing' effects, fading to nothing, etc, etc. Hence compared with these,
the DAB WS is superb - at least for documentaries and news.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Rob" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
"Rob" wrote


More or less ditto with the Humax 9200T.


Woah! You got a Hummy then? :-)


Oh yes :-)

Actually, forgot to mention, one of the main reasons for getting it was
the USB file trnasfer facility. Just plug in into the PC and drag the
files over. Nonsense - it takes an age (knocking on 24 hrs for 160GB), and
the files are very buggy. I've sort of got the hang of it now, and despite
the fact at my rate of recording I only need to do it every 6 months it's
still a PITA.



We've pulled a couple of movies from the Toppy onto the PC network and I've
converted them to Mpegs and then to DVD Videos for projecting - excellent
*keepable* sound/image quality and (knock on wood) absolutely no sign of
siplynch so far! (Best since the heady days of RAM disk recordings on
Panasonic gear!!) I think a 'normal' movie takes about 20-30 mins to get
onto the PC - no biggie, as I have said before, you don't have to crank a
handle!!


Other gadgets tried recently:

http://shop.cd-writer.com/acatalog/A...YER_3_650.html
http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h765.htm

Neither quite what they should be - interesting little distraction for a
couple of evenings though ;-)

I don't know if anyone can explain this: Humster files played back through
the Pinnacle/component/wireless PC are markedly less pixelated than the
original. The Pinnacle thing is good, but video playback is jerky - I
haven't taken a close look yet, so jury's out.


If you find against it, that Pinnacle thingy could form the basis of a
swap - I looked at them a while back. Atm I've got a Digital WinTV card in
this machine and I'm not doing anything with it since I swapped machines. Do
you know of a decent freebie EPG programme? The software bundles with the
card is none too special - I was using ShowShifter but they appear to have
gone tits up....!!



I looked into all this before I bought the Humble. Although it's dead
simple to use and cheaper and astoundingly reliable (I don't even think
about it now) I think on reflection the Topster would have been a tiddly
bit better for me. The Thomsons you've got look good VFM - but I'd want a
bigger HD and file transfer.


Yes, I would agree that the Tommies are excellent for 'watch and blow' -
probably better than the Toppies, from what we've seen so far, in terms of
'handling'.

The HDD is small at only 40 Gb but should assist with not building up the
usual, silly 'never gonna get watched' backlog of recordings, but it is
easily upgradeable to (I think) 128 GB, which means a 160 disk - one which
doesn't run too noisy (or too hot) which is more likely to be a problem with
the bigger disks I gather...??


One nice little feature I've already spotted is that the Tommy does
'radio and plasma' blanking (you set/can change the interval) to prevent
screen burning with radio splash screens and static menus....!! :-)

Ah - the killer app!


:-)

(Difficult to live without, once you've had it, I should think!! :-)

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
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In article , Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom.? writes
On Fri, 12 May 2006 14:18:03 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:


Here also is the above-mentioned tuner - found this pic while I was
looking
for the pic of the Sony!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/trio%20tuner.JPG

Now thats what I call a tuner:))

Pity it's been made obsolete by the audio feeds on Freeview :-)


See below....



Listen old son.. Let me tell and educate you.. that tuner is one of the
best in the world, ever!.


I've tried to blag it off Pat a few times now, but he ain't listening!! :-)

See it here (extreme bottom of the pic) in an even more cramped location
than my own listening kiosk. Note also the weedy little speakers he's got on
it!!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/cramped.JPG


Needless to say, he's running it off a Halo in the loft an' all!!



Its only limitation is what the broadcasters supply it with.

It will **** on DAB..well it would, but its too refined to do that!....


I am in a postion now to swap between FM/DAB/Freeview with single button
presses on the one zapper - the other day Radio 2 was at apparently
identical loudeness and there was *no discernable difference* between DAB
and Freeview. (Not the case with the other stations I've got
'preselected'!!) I gave the zapper to Swim to switch between them and she
actually picked the DAB setting (without knowing which was which, due to the
tiny lettering on the zapper!! ;-). FM came in so large it was out of the
equation and needed two jabs of attenuation to get the level down,
whereafter Swim picked it for having 'better space'...!!??

(SS amp on firewood horns - clearer than most people's systems I'd
wager.....)

As I type, I'm listening to Classic *FM* on DAB, IYSWIM...!!! :-)

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On Mon, 15 May 2006 09:22:15 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

Pity it's been made obsolete by the audio feeds on Freeview :-)

Listen old son.. Let me tell and educate you.. that tuner is one of the
best in the world, ever!.

Its only limitation is what the broadcasters supply it with.

It will **** on DAB..well it would, but its too refined to do that!....

Yes, I know DAB has chosen to go for channel count rather than
quality. But the radio feeds on Freeview are excellent quality. As
you say, the best tuner in the world is limited by the medium. A
better one has arrived.

There's no magic "analogue" quality to FM in your mind, surely? It's
almost certainly all passed down a digital link already in any case.

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On Mon, 15 May 2006 11:50:16 +0100, Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote:

On Mon, 15 May 2006 09:22:15 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

Pity it's been made obsolete by the audio feeds on Freeview :-)

Listen old son.. Let me tell and educate you.. that tuner is one of the
best in the world, ever!.

Its only limitation is what the broadcasters supply it with.

It will **** on DAB..well it would, but its too refined to do that!....

Yes, I know DAB has chosen to go for channel count rather than
quality. But the radio feeds on Freeview are excellent quality. As
you say, the best tuner in the world is limited by the medium. A
better one has arrived.

There's no magic "analogue" quality to FM in your mind, surely? It's
almost certainly all passed down a digital link already in any case.

"almost" certainly? Every FM transmitter is fed by NICAM.

d

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