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"Keith G" wrote in message

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"Keith G" wrote in message

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The worst offender here by far is Plowie - he hands it
out like we have all just got off the boat, but he
don't got the balls to back up the crap he posts with
any concrete evidence or specific information.

Sigh. You prefer vinyl to CD. So in many ways have just
got off the boat. Take a CD and copy it to another CD.
You'll not tell the
difference between them.

Take that same CD and copy it to LP. You'll instantly
tell the LP copy from the CD master.

This means LP is *adding* something to the audio that
it shouldn't.


Dear oh dear...

Is that what this is all about? You still trying to win
the Vinyl Wars? (See below...)

The vinyl/CD war was won by CD almost 20 years ago. Why
are you still fighting it, Keith?

The 'Vinyl Wars' in this ng were won by vinyl a year or
two ago. Redirect your question to Plowie...

Wrong.

Vinyl is stronger than it has been for the last two
decades

No, its in decline again.

Wrong.

Wrong.

People can get CD players that simulate scratching
well enough, now.

Reviled by the Old School DJs I gather....???

Why should we care about the Luddites?

every turntable manufacturer in the world has
brought out new models and even people like MF and EAR
have got into it

Each selling a few turntables every month compared to
the millions of digital A/V players sold every month?

Immaterial, one *more* turntable sold each month
represents a growth....

And the millions of digital players sold each month represent relative
shrinkage of the turntable market.

How many *less* CDPs are are being sold month by month
now....???

Here's a much needed clue, Keith. There's a difference between CD players
which you are talking about and digital players which is what I was talking
about.l

Educate?

True, anybody who is a die-hard vinyl bigot 20 years
after the fact is arguably impossible to educate. Old
dogs and new tricks, etc.

Keith has no rebuttal.

You really think I need/could get an education from you?

Well, there's need, and there's the possibility of a very
rusty screw ever getting turned without breaking.

You're making a fundamental error - 20 years ago I wasn't
playing music of any kind.

That would be your fundamental error Keith, not mine.

Other than a few long-lost
(not all, asitappens) LPs back in my teens, I wasn't
*into it* at all.

Sort of like teenagers who find that they like to ride on a horse, I guess.

My *choice* of vinyl is nore more than
7/8 years old, when I knew CD wasn't ever going to cut
the mustard...

Here's another much-needed clue Keith: The purpose of CDs is listening to
music not slicing mustard. Why would one want to slice mustard, anyhow? ;-)

I'm happy that you enjoy your hobby and certainly that
you make so much of your own bits and bobs, but when
your flowery descriptions of just how much improved the
latest one is over last weeks delight read like the
very worst excesses of the Hi-Fi press.

They what....??

If you can't answer it, avoid it - that's your
preference, isn't it Keith?

Stoppit Arny - you and Plowie are the worst 'selective
snippers' here! Read the words again *carefully* - he's
left a 'when your flowery descriptions' hanging...

Whine, whine, whine.

That made most genuine sound
enthusiasts simply stop buying them.

WTF is a 'sound enthusiast'...??

If you have to ask, you will probably not be able to
understand the answer.

Try me....

You're not my kind, Keith.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The worst offender here by far is Plowie - he hands it
out like we have all just got off the boat, but he
don't got the balls to back up the crap he posts with
any concrete evidence or specific information.

Sigh. You prefer vinyl to CD. So in many ways have just
got off the boat. Take a CD and copy it to another CD.
You'll not tell the
difference between them.

Take that same CD and copy it to LP. You'll instantly
tell the LP copy from the CD master.

This means LP is *adding* something to the audio that
it shouldn't.


Dear oh dear...

Is that what this is all about? You still trying to win
the Vinyl Wars? (See below...)

The vinyl/CD war was won by CD almost 20 years ago. Why
are you still fighting it, Keith?

The 'Vinyl Wars' in this ng were won by vinyl a year or
two ago. Redirect your question to Plowie...

Wrong.


Not wrong.



Vinyl is stronger than it has been for the last two
decades

No, its in decline again.

Wrong.

Wrong.


Wronger.



People can get CD players that simulate scratching
well enough, now.

Reviled by the Old School DJs I gather....???

Why should we care about the Luddites?


Why should they care about you?




every turntable manufacturer in the world has
brought out new models and even people like MF and EAR
have got into it

Each selling a few turntables every month compared to
the millions of digital A/V players sold every month?

Immaterial, one *more* turntable sold each month
represents a growth....

And the millions of digital players sold each month represent relative
shrinkage of the turntable market.

How many *less* CDPs are are being sold month by month
now....???

Here's a much needed clue, Keith. There's a difference between CD players
which you are talking about and digital players which is what I was
talking about.l


Here's another - who cares?

Why don't you add in computer DVDRWs? It would strengthen your very feeble
argument....


Sort of like teenagers who find that they like to ride on a horse, I
guess.


Streuth....



My *choice* of vinyl is nore more than
7/8 years old, when I knew CD wasn't ever going to cut
the mustard...

Here's another much-needed clue Keith: The purpose of CDs is listening to
music not slicing mustard. Why would one want to slice mustard, anyhow?
;-)


You're in danger of inconsequating yourself....



I'm happy that you enjoy your hobby and certainly that
you make so much of your own bits and bobs, but when
your flowery descriptions of just how much improved the
latest one is over last weeks delight read like the
very worst excesses of the Hi-Fi press.

They what....??

If you can't answer it, avoid it - that's your
preference, isn't it Keith?

Stoppit Arny - you and Plowie are the worst 'selective
snippers' here! Read the words again *carefully* - he's
left a 'when your flowery descriptions' hanging...

Whine, whine, whine.


Do stop that *whining* FFS!



That made most genuine sound
enthusiasts simply stop buying them.

WTF is a 'sound enthusiast'...??

If you have to ask, you will probably not be able to
understand the answer.

Try me....

You're not my kind, Keith.


Nor you mine, so at least we are in accord there....

:-)


But continued avoidance of answering the question noted...

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"Wally" wrote in message


What he's doing is right in line with the spirit of the
'rec' part of the group's name.

As are posts from people of the sonic accuracy
persuasion.

....which attract no comment or criticism from me until
those posters decide to try and chew on my arse....

Time to thicken up your thin skin a bit, Keith.


And give my car a wash, eh?

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Sorry - I can't be arsed with it, you do your thing, I'll do mine....

Obviously not then. As I said, more of a Blog.



OK, Plowie - you're in luck, I got a few minutes.

You consider 'I'm in luck' because you reply to a post of mine? How very
gracious of you...

(Swim's watching another
sodding TV programme now, finishes in 10 minutes??)

Nice to know you do what you're told.

Sure it's a blog - an Audio Blog, if I throw in a few extras that's my
prerogative and my style. (You don't get to dictate what people post
here, much as you would like to.)

And nor do you, my friend, much as you'd like to.

Now, one question for you - would you rather I didn't post?

Why would it bother me one way or another?

Simple yes or no answer

Life ain't simple.

- I'm not interested in what you consider ukra
to be (helpdesk, techno knobwaving arena or whatever...)??

You might look at the charter - if one exists.

--
*On the seventh day He brewed beer *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The vinyl/CD war was won by CD almost 20 years ago. Why are you still
fighting it, Keith?


The 'Vinyl Wars' in this ng were won by vinyl a year or two ago.

If they were it was because the likes of you drove sensible types away
with your acid tongue. As you've said in another post many can't be
bothered with being slagged off for being right. ;-)

And, of course, you have your very own group - uk.rec.audio.vinyl - which
is virtually moribund apart from a few adverts. What does that say to you?

Redirect your question to Plowie...

--
*Does fuzzy logic tickle? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

Here's a much-needed hint for you Wally: Not everybody comes here for
the same reason.

QED.


Yup, in "Wally world" ...

10/10 for effort, but minus several million for imagination.


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Sorry - I can't be arsed with it, you do your thing, I'll do mine....

Obviously not then. As I said, more of a Blog.



OK, Plowie - you're in luck, I got a few minutes.

You consider 'I'm in luck' because you reply to a post of mine? How very
gracious of you...



Reply typed and deleted - I really can't be arsed...



I tell you what, if I post anything here consider it directed *not* at you
unless it's a specific reply like this one and then you needn't trouble
yourself with it - OK?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The vinyl/CD war was won by CD almost 20 years ago. Why are you still
fighting it, Keith?


The 'Vinyl Wars' in this ng were won by vinyl a year or two ago.

If they were it was because the likes of you drove sensible types away
with your acid tongue. As you've said in another post many can't be
bothered with being slagged off for being right. ;-)

And, of course, you have your very own group - uk.rec.audio.vinyl - which
is virtually moribund apart from a few adverts. What does that say to you?

Redirect your question to Plowie...



I already said - I really can't be arsed.....

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In article , Keith G
wrote:



Vinyl is stronger than it has been for the last two decades - every
turntable manufacturer in the world has brought out new models and even
people like MF and EAR have got into it. Competition for high quality
turntables and vinyl accessories on eBay is ferocious, cartridge/deck
manufacturers are bringing out new models and the DJ scene has never
been healthier!

You lost. Get over it....

Well, I continue, each year, to ask my undergrad classes about the audio
systems they have, etc. During the last few years *none* of them said they
have any LPs/Vinyl or any means of replaying them. The general reaction is
puzzlement why anyone would. Occasionally one says something like, "You
mean like DJs/Grandad use?", though.

There are still, of course, many people like myself who have a 'legacy'
collection of LPs, so have means of playing them. When I play one I tend to
enjoy it, but alas I also still often find the pops and crackles or the wow
of off-center pressings noticable. I am also increasingly aware of the
potential difficulty of obtaining replacement stylii for decades-old
cartridges.

There are also, of course, some people with a special interest, and the
audio magazines cater to many of these. However my impression is that they
are only a tiny fraction of the general population of the UK. Indeed, when
I discuss 'hifi' with most people they seem utterly baffled by the
behaviour of 'audio enthusiasts'. Increasingly, I find I meet people who
have never seen an LP, let alone listened to one.

Hence I find the implication that Vinyl has 'won' rather odd...

I suspect that there are still makers of horse whips and riding tackle,
supplying a niche market. Similarly, my impression is that Vinyl has
*survived* as a tiny niche market, within another niche market. This is
fine for those who like to ride a horse or play an LP, but given the status
and scope of these activities in earlier decades, I would not call it a
'win'.

Slainte,

Jim

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Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
message
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The vinyl/CD war was won by CD almost 20 years ago. Why
are you still fighting it, Keith?


The 'Vinyl Wars' in this ng were won by vinyl a year or
two ago.

If they were it was because the likes of you drove
sensible types away with your acid tongue. As you've said
in another post many can't be bothered with being slagged
off for being right. ;-)

And, of course, you have your very own group -
uk.rec.audio.vinyl - which is virtually moribund apart
from a few adverts. What does that say to you?

Ironic that uk.rec.audio.vinyl became moribund almost on the day it opened
for business. If this is victory, I'd hate to see what a defeat looks like.
OTOH it isn't a victory, so the defeat of Keith's delusional thinking looks
fine!