In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes
In article , tony sayer

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes
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Presume you do have a directional aerial and a good grade, CT100 or
similar, of co-ax feeder?.

I use three different loft dipoles for the three different FM tuners in
daily use. They typically give around 600-800 microV at their downlead
ends. The cables vary but are all either CT100 or an equivalent in terms of
performance from the days before the term CT100 was used (so far as I
recall.) The cable runs are only about 3-4 metres in each case, and are
continuous from antenna to the plug in the RX socket.

FWIW yesterday I lugged the CT7000 around and checked the levels on each
antenna output. So the above are correct assuming the (old) calibration
for the tuner is OK.

Course your local TX might be re-transmiting what it receives if its an
RBR one 'tho if a main station it should be on PCM, and its very
possible that the BBC don't even know if theres a problem.

Which one was it again Jim?.

Forfar. I can't recall the ERP, but I think it isn't one of the higher
powers. However it gives higher levels here than the alternatives. The
problem I think is that although we are up a hill, the main parts of Fife
'behind' us are higher and tend to block signals from inland. We might get
more from the other transmitters if the topology were favourable. Alas,
Fife isn't the Fens... :-/

Yes its a main station and PCM fed at 17Kw mixed pol...

Perhaps a bit more directionality on the receiving aerials?. You might
be having some multipath perhaps...

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/forfar.asp



TBH Having started thinking about this again I am starting to wonder if the
real problem is the CT7000. Although an excellent design, it is now
reaching its 30th birthday, and it suffers from poor internal contacts due
to the widespread use of tiny 'pin-socket' connectors between the internal
modules. It is about time I tried something else for the main hifi system.
Now I've started thinking about this, I haven't noticed so much in the way
of problems even on a Quad FM4 which - in principle - has nothing like as
good an RF performance as the CT7000...

Yes I had one for a short while once that was owned by Phil Swift of
Audiolab and that was a bit dodgy then and that was in the early 80's so
time wouldn't have helped;!..


It was IIRC a good RF performer and in comparison the FM 4 wasn't
anything that wonderful.


I noticed in a review in a recent mag that one tuner (Creek IIRC) reached
70dB SNR full-quieting with 400microV in, whereas the CT7000 needs about
800 microV for this.

They 'umble old Denon TU260 MK2 is remarkably good RF and otherwise.

I'd look around for a second-hand Audiolab T8000 on e-bay thats about as
good as an FM tuner gets or needs to be;!..


IIRC Angus Mckenzie, although enthusiastic about the
CT7000 thought that the front end gain/noise figure wasn't as good as
it could be, even years ago, but loved it for the excellent selectivity
and low distortion, etc.

The interference tends to go un-noticed with something like a string
quartet or piano recital, but can show up on proms.

Why do you think that then?..

Alas, the level
compression on FM I now find more noticable than some years ago.
partly due to it being more severe, partly I guess due to becoming
accustomed to other sources that don't have it. Thus in practice,
with orchestral music it is the level compression I find distracting
more often these days. DAB was much better in this respect.

Six of one and half a dozen of the other;(...


One of the things I welcomed about DAB as it has shown almost zero
interference effects here. Signal level about 12dB above the top of the
scale on the tuner.

Well thats what it was supposed to do eh?. I just wish they'd admit
T-DAB is bu**ered as a serious medium, and really do some upping of the
bit rates in Satellite!..



It does suffer from co channel as some on the south coast will tell you
'jus cos its dab doesn't mean its not interfereable with!...

I'd agree. However here it has shown no particular signs of the sound being
interfered with by anyone - apart from the BBC themselves! :-/

Quite....

Slainte,

Jim


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In article , tony sayer

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes


Forfar. I can't recall the ERP, but I think it isn't one of the higher
powers. However it gives higher levels here than the alternatives. The
problem I think is that although we are up a hill, the main parts of
Fife 'behind' us are higher and tend to block signals from inland. We
might get more from the other transmitters if the topology were
favourable. Alas, Fife isn't the Fens... :-/

Yes its a main station and PCM fed at 17Kw mixed pol...

Perhaps a bit more directionality on the receiving aerials?. You might
be having some multipath perhaps...

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/forfar.asp

The CT7000 has a meter to display multipath. I've also checked with a
spectrum analyser in the distant past. There are no signs of any sigificant
level of multipath.

It may well be time for a 'new' tuner and/or a high-gain antenna on the
roof. However I am not certain, given the nature of the problems, how much
these will help. So I suppose I should also consider using either a
Freeview box or some form of satellite RX.



I noticed in a review in a recent mag that one tuner (Creek IIRC)
reached 70dB SNR full-quieting with 400microV in, whereas the CT7000
needs about 800 microV for this.

They 'umble old Denon TU260 MK2 is remarkably good RF and otherwise.

I'd look around for a second-hand Audiolab T8000 on e-bay thats about as
good as an FM tuner gets or needs to be;!..

I have been re-reading old info on tuners. :-)

Must admit to having mixed feelings about an 'Audiolab' one. I have now
given up on trying to fix the seriously-broken 8000A. The circuit diagram
from the net is incorrect in some details, and having spent some time
studying the actual circuit I must confess to having become less than
impressed.

I have therefore bought it for 20 quid to use as a 'breadboard' for making
up some new amp designs of my own. Saves having to build a chassis and a
PSU. :-)


IIRC Angus Mckenzie, although enthusiastic about the CT7000 thought
that the front end gain/noise figure wasn't as good as it could be,
even years ago, but loved it for the excellent selectivity and low
distortion, etc.

The interference tends to go un-noticed with something like a string
quartet or piano recital, but can show up on proms.

Why do you think that then?..

Modulation level. Quartets, etc, tend to be on the mid-day concerts. This
timing, combined with the dynamics of the music, mean they are simply
'louder' in modulation level terms than the quiet bits of an evening
orchestral concert.

We also seem to get more interference during the day than during the
evening. Although there is a tendency here for the RF level to droop during
the evenings.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes
In article , tony sayer

wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes


Forfar. I can't recall the ERP, but I think it isn't one of the higher
powers. However it gives higher levels here than the alternatives. The
problem I think is that although we are up a hill, the main parts of
Fife 'behind' us are higher and tend to block signals from inland. We
might get more from the other transmitters if the topology were
favourable. Alas, Fife isn't the Fens... :-/

Yes its a main station and PCM fed at 17Kw mixed pol...

Perhaps a bit more directionality on the receiving aerials?. You might
be having some multipath perhaps...

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/forfar.asp

The CT7000 has a meter to display multipath. I've also checked with a
spectrum analyser in the distant past. There are no signs of any sigificant
level of multipath.

It may well be time for a 'new' tuner and/or a high-gain antenna on the
roof. However I am not certain, given the nature of the problems, how much
these will help. So I suppose I should also consider using either a
Freeview box or some form of satellite RX.

I'd opt for an outside directional aerial and when you do that get the
aerial and get someone to put it up for you unless you can DIY.

a Triax 4 or 5 element can be had from www.cpc.co.uk don't rely on the
aerial rigger to supply an 'eff emm hairel they almost without exception
put up a Halo which is a waste of good metal!.

Freeview is well.. ok as far as 192K audio goes, but 256 K + on
satellite is where it ought be. Still for around a 100 squids you can
get some excellent audio from the other side of the channel:--)).




I noticed in a review in a recent mag that one tuner (Creek IIRC)
reached 70dB SNR full-quieting with 400microV in, whereas the CT7000
needs about 800 microV for this.

They 'umble old Denon TU260 MK2 is remarkably good RF and otherwise.

I'd look around for a second-hand Audiolab T8000 on e-bay thats about as
good as an FM tuner gets or needs to be;!..

I have been re-reading old info on tuners. :-)

Must admit to having mixed feelings about an 'Audiolab' one. I have now
given up on trying to fix the seriously-broken 8000A. The circuit diagram
from the net is incorrect in some details, and having spent some time
studying the actual circuit I must confess to having become less than
impressed.

Should have said!, one does know ones old employers still

No the T8000 is a damm fine tuner

I have therefore bought it for 20 quid to use as a 'breadboard' for making
up some new amp designs of my own. Saves having to build a chassis and a
PSU. :-)


*!....


IIRC Angus Mckenzie, although enthusiastic about the CT7000 thought
that the front end gain/noise figure wasn't as good as it could be,
even years ago, but loved it for the excellent selectivity and low
distortion, etc.

The interference tends to go un-noticed with something like a string
quartet or piano recital, but can show up on proms.

Why do you think that then?..

Modulation level. Quartets, etc, tend to be on the mid-day concerts. This
timing, combined with the dynamics of the music, mean they are simply
'louder' in modulation level terms than the quiet bits of an evening
orchestral concert.

Hummm... The old daytime Optimod by the sound of it..


We also seem to get more interference during the day than during the
evening. Although there is a tendency here for the RF level to droop during
the evenings.

Odd.. your not the other side of that river estuary?, firth of Tay or
whatever its called???

Slainte,

Jim


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In article , tony sayer

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes


It may well be time for a 'new' tuner and/or a high-gain antenna on the
roof. However I am not certain, given the nature of the problems, how
much these will help. So I suppose I should also consider using either
a Freeview box or some form of satellite RX.

I'd opt for an outside directional aerial and when you do that get the
aerial and get someone to put it up for you unless you can DIY.

a Triax 4 or 5 element can be had from www.cpc.co.uk don't rely on the
aerial rigger to supply an 'eff emm hairel they almost without exception
put up a Halo which is a waste of good metal!.

Freeview is well.. ok as far as 192K audio goes, but 256 K + on
satellite is where it ought be. Still for around a 100 squids you can
get some excellent audio from the other side of the channel:--)).

You have encapsulated my present dilemma. :-)

I am currently undecided between:

1) Do as you say, Get a high-gain VHF antenna up above the roof, and
perhaps also replace the CT7000 with something decent and more modern

2) Run a UHF antenna feed to the hifi room, and use a 'FreeView' box.

3) Satellite RX.

At present I am tempted by (2) as we already have a decent UHF system that
gives fairly reliable reception. I could fit a low-noise UHF distribution
amp in the loft quite easily, and use one o/p for the current feed to the
living room, and another into the hifi room. A FreeView box with an SPDIF
output would also be cheaper than a good FM tuner, so this would be a
cheaper and easier option for me than (1) or (3). In general I have found
the sound on FreeView R3 and BBC4 OK. An added advantage of this would be
being able to record the sound from BBC4 or a station like BBC7 onto CD
when I wanted.

The worry is the BBC's established track-record of trashing the quality of
their output. Sod's Law predicts that I'd do (2) and they promptly drop the
bitrates on Freeview sound! :-/



Must admit to having mixed feelings about an 'Audiolab' one. I have now
given up on trying to fix the seriously-broken 8000A. The circuit
diagram from the net is incorrect in some details, and having spent
some time studying the actual circuit I must confess to having become
less than impressed.

Should have said!, one does know ones old employers still

I tried asking them for a circuit diagram, etc. Their party line is that
they charge X pounds/hour to work on fixing things.


We also seem to get more interference during the day than during the
evening. Although there is a tendency here for the RF level to droop
during the evenings.

Odd.. your not the other side of that river estuary?, firth of Tay or
whatever its called???

We are about 10 miles south of the Tay estuary, and about 20 miles north of
the Forth. I think that Forfar is a bit west of north from here. This means
it is a moderately clear line across the Tay, but with Dundee on the line
of sight. I do suspect some of the interference comes from Dundee as it is
the only 'large city' in reasonably clear view from here. It is also
spreads up the hills facing us on the other side of the Tay.

Hence as well as a limited signal, we seem to have a major source of
interference on much the same line of sight.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes
In article , tony sayer

wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes


It may well be time for a 'new' tuner and/or a high-gain antenna on the
roof. However I am not certain, given the nature of the problems, how
much these will help. So I suppose I should also consider using either
a Freeview box or some form of satellite RX.

I'd opt for an outside directional aerial and when you do that get the
aerial and get someone to put it up for you unless you can DIY.

a Triax 4 or 5 element can be had from www.cpc.co.uk don't rely on the
aerial rigger to supply an 'eff emm hairel they almost without exception
put up a Halo which is a waste of good metal!.

Freeview is well.. ok as far as 192K audio goes, but 256 K + on
satellite is where it ought be. Still for around a 100 squids you can
get some excellent audio from the other side of the channel:--)).

You have encapsulated my present dilemma. :-)

I am currently undecided between:

1) Do as you say, Get a high-gain VHF antenna up above the roof, and
perhaps also replace the CT7000 with something decent and more modern

Shouldn't cost a lot...


2) Run a UHF antenna feed to the hifi room, and use a 'FreeView' box.

Dunno.. Perhaps you don't mind MP2 low rate artefacts.. I do..


3) Satellite RX.

Well for around £100 there is a lot up there at good rates and in very
high quality. Pity Auntie BBC isn't among them;!...



At present I am tempted by (2) as we already have a decent UHF system that
gives fairly reliable reception. I could fit a low-noise UHF distribution
amp in the loft quite easily, and use one o/p for the current feed to the
living room, and another into the hifi room. A FreeView box with an SPDIF
output would also be cheaper than a good FM tuner, so this would be a
cheaper and easier option for me than (1) or (3). In general I have found
the sound on FreeView R3 and BBC4 OK. An added advantage of this would be
being able to record the sound from BBC4 or a station like BBC7 onto CD
when I wanted.

The worry is the BBC's established track-record of trashing the quality of
their output. Sod's Law predicts that I'd do (2) and they promptly drop the
bitrates on Freeview sound! :-/

Well I doubt they would but then again a lot thought the 192 on DAB was
sacrosanct till recently!. Who knows?. Satellite with its massive
bandwidth availability does look to be a long term answer..




Must admit to having mixed feelings about an 'Audiolab' one. I have now
given up on trying to fix the seriously-broken 8000A. The circuit
diagram from the net is incorrect in some details, and having spent
some time studying the actual circuit I must confess to having become
less than impressed.

Should have said!, one does know ones old employers still

I tried asking them for a circuit diagram, etc. Their party line is that
they charge X pounds/hour to work on fixing things.


We also seem to get more interference during the day than during the
evening. Although there is a tendency here for the RF level to droop
during the evenings.

Odd.. your not the other side of that river estuary?, firth of Tay or
whatever its called???

We are about 10 miles south of the Tay estuary, and about 20 miles north of
the Forth. I think that Forfar is a bit west of north from here. This means
it is a moderately clear line across the Tay,

Doesn't seem like tidal fading at that distance..

but with Dundee on the line
of sight. I do suspect some of the interference comes from Dundee as it is
the only 'large city' in reasonably clear view from here. It is also
spreads up the hills facing us on the other side of the Tay.

Hence as well as a limited signal, we seem to have a major source of
interference on much the same line of sight.

Well if it is interference on such a scale that its causing upset then
Ofcom ought to be interested but I somehow doubt that is and if it is
what would it be?. Perhaps the answer lies closer to home!..

Slainte,

Jim


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In article , tony sayer

wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes


2) Run a UHF antenna feed to the hifi room, and use a 'FreeView' box.

Dunno.. Perhaps you don't mind MP2 low rate artefacts.. I do..

I have in the past (mostly) been quite happy with the sound quality on R3
and BBC4 for Prom broadcasts. There have been some notable exceptions
where there seemed to be a specific problem. Also, the DTTV signal seems
much more prone to audio 'glitches' due to impulse interference than DAB.
However, overall, in our local conditions I prefer it to FM R3. The snag
being that "what you have shalt be taken away" may eventually apply to this
as well as to DAB...


Hence as well as a limited signal, we seem to have a major source of
interference on much the same line of sight.

Well if it is interference on such a scale that its causing upset then
Ofcom ought to be interested but I somehow doubt that is and if it is
what would it be?. Perhaps the answer lies closer to home!..

I have now begun to suspect that the CT7000 has slowly deteriorated and I
became 'accustomed' to this as it happened, and assumed it was simply
interference. So it may be that a more modern tuner as well as a better
antenna would deal with the problem. My dilemma is as I outlined before...
:-/

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes
In article , tony sayer

wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes


2) Run a UHF antenna feed to the hifi room, and use a 'FreeView' box.

Dunno.. Perhaps you don't mind MP2 low rate artefacts.. I do..

I have in the past (mostly) been quite happy with the sound quality on R3
and BBC4 for Prom broadcasts. There have been some notable exceptions
where there seemed to be a specific problem. Also, the DTTV signal seems
much more prone to audio 'glitches' due to impulse interference than DAB.
However, overall, in our local conditions I prefer it to FM R3. The snag
being that "what you have shalt be taken away" may eventually apply to this
as well as to DAB...

Humm..., give 'em time, Audio quality isn't a big issue in the BBC
management....



Hence as well as a limited signal, we seem to have a major source of
interference on much the same line of sight.

Well if it is interference on such a scale that its causing upset then
Ofcom ought to be interested but I somehow doubt that is and if it is
what would it be?. Perhaps the answer lies closer to home!..

I have now begun to suspect that the CT7000 has slowly deteriorated and I
became 'accustomed' to this as it happened, and assumed it was simply
interference. So it may be that a more modern tuner as well as a better
antenna would deal with the problem. My dilemma is as I outlined before...
:-/

Well one way or 't other. I still reckon Satellite is the long term answer....


Slainte,

Jim


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In article , tony sayer

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
and.demon.co.uk writes


Forfar. I can't recall the ERP, but I think it isn't one of the higher
powers. However it gives higher levels here than the alternatives. The
problem I think is that although we are up a hill, the main parts of
Fife 'behind' us are higher and tend to block signals from inland. We
might get more from the other transmitters if the topology were
favourable. Alas, Fife isn't the Fens... :-/

Yes its a main station and PCM fed at 17Kw mixed pol...

Perhaps a bit more directionality on the receiving aerials?. You might
be having some multipath perhaps...

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/forfar.asp

The CT7000 has a meter to display multipath. I've also checked with a
spectrum analyser in the distant past. There are no signs of any
sigificant
level of multipath.

It may well be time for a 'new' tuner and/or a high-gain antenna on the
roof. However I am not certain, given the nature of the problems, how much
these will help. So I suppose I should also consider using either a
Freeview box or some form of satellite RX.


I don't seek to offer 'advice' here, but I would just mention that the
recent *much blogged* installation of a 4 element FM aerial here has ended
up with me ripping it off and using the mast and wiring for a TV aerial to
get a 'digital' signal strength on my PVRs that sticks out the side of the
TV screen! (I can see the top 2/3 lights of the Sandy Heath transmitter from
the top of my front path of an evening....)

Whether or not is was the downside of have an ultra-clear system I don't
know, but there was just too much going on with FM - roaring, distant
tweedling noises (birdy whistle?) and announcers clearly sounding like they
were in little cubicles!! As has been said elsewhere, the sound quality of
FM during the day wasn't much to shout about either!

But then, my *best* radio listening is done in the garage in the afternoons
(R3 Evensong, for example) on a crap-covered Roberts FM radio!

Ironic, coming from a *vinylist* isn't it?

(Equally ironic that a number of people who don't like vinyl can't seem to
accept the planar, 'digital sterility' of DBA, Freeview &c....)

FWIW, I have to say I don't detect a massive difference between FV and DAB
R3, other than a significant jump in loudness which makes comparisons
difficult.

(So I don't bother to compare them much....!! ;-)

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , tony sayer

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In article , Jim Lesurf jcgl@st-
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Forfar. I can't recall the ERP, but I think it isn't one of the higher
powers. However it gives higher levels here than the alternatives. The
problem I think is that although we are up a hill, the main parts of
Fife 'behind' us are higher and tend to block signals from inland. We
might get more from the other transmitters if the topology were
favourable. Alas, Fife isn't the Fens... :-/

Yes its a main station and PCM fed at 17Kw mixed pol...

Perhaps a bit more directionality on the receiving aerials?. You might
be having some multipath perhaps...

http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/forfar.asp

The CT7000 has a meter to display multipath. I've also checked with a
spectrum analyser in the distant past. There are no signs of any
sigificant
level of multipath.

It may well be time for a 'new' tuner and/or a high-gain antenna on the
roof. However I am not certain, given the nature of the problems, how much
these will help. So I suppose I should also consider using either a
Freeview box or some form of satellite RX.


I don't seek to offer 'advice' here, but I would just mention that the
recent *much blogged* installation of a 4 element FM aerial here has ended
up with me ripping it off and using the mast and wiring for a TV aerial to
get a 'digital' signal strength on my PVRs that sticks out the side of the
TV screen! (I can see the top 2/3 lights of the Sandy Heath transmitter from
the top of my front path of an evening....)

Something very wrong there then Keith. Perhaps it was that cable join in
the gutter!..


Whether or not is was the downside of have an ultra-clear system I don't
know, but there was just too much going on with FM - roaring, distant
tweedling noises (birdy whistle?) and announcers clearly sounding like they
were in little cubicles!! As has been said elsewhere, the sound quality of
FM during the day wasn't much to shout about either!

Something else rather up the creek, don't have those sorta problems
here. They do have the announcers in smallish rooms tho!..


But then, my *best* radio listening is done in the garage in the afternoons
(R3 Evensong, for example) on a crap-covered Roberts FM radio!

Thats why they compress a bit


Ironic, coming from a *vinylist* isn't it?

Yep..


(Equally ironic that a number of people who don't like vinyl can't seem to
accept the planar, 'digital sterility' of DBA, Freeview &c....)

FWIW, I have to say I don't detect a massive difference between FV and DAB
R3, other than a significant jump in loudness which makes comparisons
difficult.

Well something very amiss there then!...

(So I don't bother to compare them much....!! ;-)




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"Jim Lesurf" wrote


It may well be time for a 'new' tuner and/or a high-gain antenna on the
roof. However I am not certain, given the nature of the problems, how
much
these will help. So I suppose I should also consider using either a
Freeview box or some form of satellite RX.


I don't seek to offer 'advice' here, but I would just mention that the
recent *much blogged* installation of a 4 element FM aerial here has ended
up with me ripping it off and using the mast and wiring for a TV aerial to
get a 'digital' signal strength on my PVRs that sticks out the side of the
TV screen! (I can see the top 2/3 lights of the Sandy Heath transmitter
from
the top of my front path of an evening....)

Something very wrong there then Keith. Perhaps it was that cable join in
the gutter!..


There is no cable join, it is one piece from the aerial to the appliance...




Whether or not is was the downside of have an ultra-clear system I don't
know, but there was just too much going on with FM - roaring, distant
tweedling noises (birdy whistle?) and announcers clearly sounding like
they
were in little cubicles!! As has been said elsewhere, the sound quality of
FM during the day wasn't much to shout about either!

Something else rather up the creek, don't have those sorta problems
here. They do have the announcers in smallish rooms tho!..


It's not so obvious on the Tannoys....



But then, my *best* radio listening is done in the garage in the
afternoons
(R3 Evensong, for example) on a crap-covered Roberts FM radio!

Thats why they compress a bit


Ironic, coming from a *vinylist* isn't it?

Yep..


Almost as ironic as someone who prefers 'digital' to Vinyl but prefers FM to
'digital'....

;-)