On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:49:03 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

My use of dB for comparing prices may be taken as voltage comparisons,
so that $10,000 is 20dB more than $1,000.

No, that won't do. Money represents buying power, so that would be
10dB, not 20.

d

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Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:49:03 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

My use of dB for comparing prices may be taken as voltage comparisons,
so that $10,000 is 20dB more than $1,000.

No, that won't do. Money represents buying power, so that would be
10dB, not 20.

Oh No !

Here we go *again* !

Graham

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:36:51 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:49:03 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

My use of dB for comparing prices may be taken as voltage comparisons,
so that $10,000 is 20dB more than $1,000.

No, that won't do. Money represents buying power, so that would be
10dB, not 20.

Oh No !

Here we go *again* !

Graham

What do you mean? There are *no* new topics here, ever.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

But they aren't, because there is no traceability, no consistency, and
the end buyers are idiots, and so they don't.

**Precisely.


OK, as a 'double idiot' (I bought two Chinese SETs) I still say if you want
to hear a SET in the UK you are stuffed, other than hauling down to London
in the hope of getting a fairly brief listen to one in a posh boutique - no
good to me, I need time to audition kit properly in my own home, with a
variety of music and the other kit.

I am very impressed with the sound of the Cheapie Chinkies (for the money)
and, like André, suspect only a small improvement would be got for a
relatively large amount of extra spending. But, having said that, the Idiot
Amps have pointed me to where I want to end up and I am contemplating a
****-off 300B SET to settle down with. (Dare I say it - to last me the rest
of my days...??)

Here's your chance - I don't trust my own abilities to source and build the
*right thing* from scratch (I don't do enough building to keep my eye in)
and have been pondering an Audio Note Kit with the Double C-Core trannies
http://www.audionotekits.com/ but if you think you can do better, quote me.

Quote me for a single input version and a 4 input version with 3 (quality)
toggle switches thus:

Switch 1 = Switch 2 and 3

Switch 2 = Inputs 1 and 2

Switch 3 = Inputs 3 and 4

(ie no rotary switches)

Finish to be presentable and tidy but glitz as per:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/chinky.JPG

not required.

Glass not required either, but valves would/will need to be commonly
available and available as NOS would be an advantage.

Robustness and a sturdy build is paramount - I want a *bullet proof* amp and
components have to be very high quality but not necessarily 'audiophile'.

There you go - don't bust a gut, just suck your thumb for a minute and throw
me a ballpark figure in UKP (including shipping) by direct email for now.
I'm not in any hurry - I have to shift some kit to part fund the project
yet, in any case. Send me a pic of summat to give me an idea, if you have
one.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

But they aren't, because there is no traceability, no consistency, and
the end buyers are idiots, and so they don't.

**Precisely.


OK, as a 'double idiot' (I bought two Chinese SETs) I still say if you
want to hear a SET in the UK you are stuffed, other than hauling down to
London in the hope of getting a fairly brief listen to one in a posh
boutique - no good to me, I need time to audition kit properly in my own
home, with a variety of music and the other kit.

I am very impressed with the sound of the Cheapie Chinkies (for the money)
and, like André, suspect only a small improvement would be got for a
relatively large amount of extra spending. But, having said that, the
Idiot Amps have pointed me to where I want to end up and I am
contemplating a ****-off 300B SET to settle down with. (Dare I say it - to
last me the rest of my days...??)

Here's your chance - I don't trust my own abilities to source and build
the *right thing* from scratch (I don't do enough building to keep my eye
in) and have been pondering an Audio Note Kit with the Double C-Core
trannies http://www.audionotekits.com/ but if you think you can do better,
quote me.

Quote me for a single input version and a 4 input version with 3 (quality)
toggle switches thus:

Switch 1 = Switch 2 and 3

Switch 2 = Inputs 1 and 2

Switch 3 = Inputs 3 and 4

(ie no rotary switches)

Finish to be presentable and tidy but glitz as per:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/chinky.JPG

not required.

Glass not required either, but valves would/will need to be commonly
available and available as NOS would be an advantage.

Robustness and a sturdy build is paramount - I want a *bullet proof* amp
and components have to be very high quality but not necessarily
'audiophile'.

There you go - don't bust a gut, just suck your thumb for a minute and
throw me a ballpark figure in UKP (including shipping) by direct email for
now. I'm not in any hurry - I have to shift some kit to part fund the
project yet, in any case. Send me a pic of summat to give me an idea, if
you have one.



Keith. is this request made solely to Trevor or open to all?
Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
.. .

"Keith G" wrote:


There you go - don't bust a gut, just suck your thumb for a minute and
throw me a ballpark figure in UKP (including shipping) by direct email
for now. I'm not in any hurry - I have to shift some kit to part fund the
project yet, in any case. Send me a pic of summat to give me an idea, if
you have one.



Keith. is this request made solely to Trevor or open to all?
Iain


No, throw me a figure by all means - although I'm not sure I could afford
your prices!! ;-)

(I'm ahead of you Iain - build one and audition it *properly*, flog it and
build yourself one if you liked it! ;-)

The thing that puts me off the Audio Note is all the PCBs and the idea of
pushing more money into to PQ's pocket, although I have to say both he and
Brian in Canada looked after my mate in Brussels when he built his Kit 1
recently. The AN Copper caps were a bit of a nightmare though, from what I
was told....

Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 09:49:03 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

My use of dB for comparing prices may be taken as voltage comparisons,
so that $10,000 is 20dB more than $1,000.

No, that won't do. Money represents buying power, so that would be
10dB, not 20.

I think the impudence of the monetary circuits needs attenuation of the
greed factor,
with regard for resistance to oscillations in purchasing preferences.

Patrick Turner.



d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

But they aren't, because there is no traceability, no consistency, and
the end buyers are idiots, and so they don't.

**Precisely.


OK, as a 'double idiot' (I bought two Chinese SETs) I still say if you want
to hear a SET in the UK you are stuffed, other than hauling down to London
in the hope of getting a fairly brief listen to one in a posh boutique - no
good to me, I need time to audition kit properly in my own home, with a
variety of music and the other kit.


Youi desperately need to build one yourself. It's called paying your
dues. You'll find it stinks and part it out, probably, but you can
always build a good amp out of the parts and the OPT can be used for a
guitar amp (where single ended makes some sense).

In article . com,
says...

Keith G wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

But they aren't, because there is no traceability, no consistency, and
the end buyers are idiots, and so they don't.

**Precisely.


OK, as a 'double idiot' (I bought two Chinese SETs) I still say if you want
to hear a SET in the UK you are stuffed, other than hauling down to London
in the hope of getting a fairly brief listen to one in a posh boutique - no
good to me, I need time to audition kit properly in my own home, with a
variety of music and the other kit.


Youi desperately need to build one yourself. It's called paying your
dues. You'll find it stinks and part it out, probably, but you can
always build a good amp out of the parts and the OPT can be used for a
guitar amp (where single ended makes some sense).


You don't follow Keith's entertaining rambles much do you ?

T.

"Tony Gartshore" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
says...

Keith G wrote:
"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Bret Ludwig" wrote in message
ups.com...

But they aren't, because there is no traceability, no consistency,
and
the end buyers are idiots, and so they don't.

**Precisely.


OK, as a 'double idiot' (I bought two Chinese SETs) I still say if you
want
to hear a SET in the UK you are stuffed, other than hauling down to
London
in the hope of getting a fairly brief listen to one in a posh
boutique - no
good to me, I need time to audition kit properly in my own home, with a
variety of music and the other kit.


Youi desperately need to build one yourself. It's called paying your
dues. You'll find it stinks and part it out, probably, but you can
always build a good amp out of the parts and the OPT can be used for a
guitar amp (where single ended makes some sense).


You don't follow Keith's entertaining rambles much do you ?



Tony, I don't subscribe to any other ng than ukra - there's no reason why he
should have seen my 'ramblings'!!

Or seen the DIY on my website:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/


The reason I might be interested in an 'expert' build for an *ultimate
amplifier* is that I don't do/haven't done enough amp building to be
definitely able to build summat that I would *know* was perfect. Whether or
not I build any more stuff in the future remains to be seen (no plans for
amps right now), but it would be useful to have a 'benchmark' amp to compare
with, if I did...??