Is this too much noise for a budget turntable..
 

"Laurence Payne in the Ass "


** Yep - but that extra distance is a simple linear one while the belt
is
circumferential.

With a 30 cm dia platter, the difference in belt and table rpm is only 2%
or
3 %.


That's rather different to "No matter what size the belt is, it only
traverses the motor pulley once per table revolution."


** No it is not - you posturing ****head.


Anyway it's not about the size of the platter.


** When the belt runs around the outside it damn well is.


It's about how much
longer the belt is than the circumference of the platter (or, more
accurately of the pulley attached to the platter).


** Not "how much longer" but the *percentage* increase.

With a small dia drive pulley and a full 300 mm platter pulley, the increase
can be as little as 1%.



......... Phil

Is this too much noise for a budget turntable..
 

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:56:59 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

I'd like to hear your reasons why you think high-level sub-sonic
content isn't of interest?

If you want to trade insults too, fine. You started it, remember :-)



Only if you include yourself in the general 'clown' remark in my reply to
Plowie - hardly my problem is it?

Now, work back through the thread, find the gratuitous 'silly boy' remark,
ponder it and then post a retraction of the above 'you started it' within,
say, the next hour or so, or you *will* join Allison in my ****ter....

(Infrequent flyers with smart mouths like you have to do a *lot* more work
in here before you can get away calling me names - OK, muchacho?)

Sure. I humble myself before your superior credibility on this and
every newsgroup, I am distraught at any offense I may have
caused.....etc. etc.

Now, why do you think subsonic content doesn't matter?

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:06:13 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

With a small dia drive pulley and a full 300 mm platter pulley, the increase
can be as little as 1%.

And with a bigger drive pulley mounted further from the platter it
would be more. Either of which, like it or not, is a lot different
to: "No matter what size the belt is, it only traverses the motor
pulley once per table revolution."

And why are you calling me names?

Is this too much noise for a budget turntable..
 

"Laurence Payne in the Ass OVER-SNIPPING ****head "



It's about how much
longer the belt is than the circumference of the platter (or, more
accurately of the pulley attached to the platter).


** Not "how much longer" but the *percentage* increase.

With a small dia drive pulley and a full 300 mm platter pulley, the increase
can be as little as 1%.


And with a bigger drive pulley mounted further from the platter it
would be more.


** Childish, asinine CRAPOLOGY !!!


Either of which, like it or not, is a lot different
to: "No matter what size the belt is, it only traverses the motor
pulley once per table revolution."


** NO - it is not " a whole lot different -

you sickeningly pedantic ASD ****ed bloody IDIOT !



And why are you calling me names?


** Precise technical descriptions combined with a public WARNING about YOU
are what they are.


Like them or lump them -

Mr Payne in the Ass **** HEAD !!!






......... Phil

Is this too much noise for a budget turntable..
 

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:56:59 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

I'd like to hear your reasons why you think high-level sub-sonic
content isn't of interest?

If you want to trade insults too, fine. You started it, remember :-)



Only if you include yourself in the general 'clown' remark in my reply to
Plowie - hardly my problem is it?

Now, work back through the thread, find the gratuitous 'silly boy' remark,
ponder it and then post a retraction of the above 'you started it' within,
say, the next hour or so, or you *will* join Allison in my ****ter....

(Infrequent flyers with smart mouths like you have to do a *lot* more work
in here before you can get away calling me names - OK, muchacho?)

Sure. I humble myself before your superior credibility on this and
every newsgroup, I am distraught at any offense I may have
caused.....etc. etc.



You don't have to *humble* yourself, all I needed was your acknowledgement
that you started the direct insults - the difference with you and Plowie is
that he's *earned* the right to insult me (as I have him) - it's to do with
who keeps this ng going......



Now, why do you think subsonic content doesn't matter?


I never said it doesn't ....

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:25:42 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:10:44 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
m...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"lordy" wrote in message
...
On 2006-08-29, Trevor Wilson
wrote:

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in
message
...

**OK, first mistake: The Debut is already fitted with a phono
preamp.
It
can only be used with a line level input.

**Oh yeah. Make certain the MC/MM switch is correctly set.

Hi Trevor, after a bit of Googling, it looks like you have the
"Phono
Speedbox"
edition ??

**I don't own one, I just fix 'em. All of the Debuts I see are
fitted
with an internal phono preamp.




Interesting. How many have you fixed??

**A couple of dozen, or so. The early models had a really weird
'melting'
platter kind of problem. I've never seen anything quite like it and
I've
only ever seen it on Pro-Ject turntables. The platter actually
deforms,
as
if it has been subjected to high temperatures. Don't forget: I am a
service agent for the product, here in Sydney, so I am likely to see
then
when they go wrong. IMO, they are pretty decently performing products,
for
not too much money. Were they manufactured in a first world nation,
I'd
reckon at them being around 3 times the price. Sadly, some corners
have
been cut, but disastrously so.



Interesting. I bought a Debut II at *trade* to investigate them - the
platter was pressed steel with a felt mat, so it seems they had
effectively
cured platter problems by then. Sound quality was more than adequate for
first-timers, people on a budget or someone who just wanted to drag the
good
stuff down from the loft. Tracking improved considerably with the OM20
stylus that I put on mine and the inclusion of a Phono Stage was a
significant step forward for those whose amps didn't have one.

Considering they came with a stylus upgradable Ortofon cart for a wunnah
I
considered them to be *untouchable* on the VFM front and with continuing
production figures of over a thousand per month (maybe it was 1,500??)
quoted in the comix a few years ago, it would appear I wasn't the only
one...???


Sounds to me like the name Debut II has been applied to totally
different products in different parts of the world. Wouldn't be the
first time, either.



'Totally different' is a bit severe - if the Debuts Trevor's referring to
weren't plain 'Debuts' (Debut 1s, as it were) then I would guess the only
difference was the platter. The Debut III (which I don't know) had a
'better' tonearm on it I gather, but I suspect it didn't vary much from
the
II in other respects...???



A bit, but I was typing one handed with an omelette pitta sandwich in
the other, so I wasn't being too wordy. I'm sure the overall "look and
feel" is similar enough, but the detailed bits could easily be very
different.


Hmm, I'm back to eating 'pies' straight out of the fridge again!! :-(

We went to look at allotments the other day and concluded *great idea* but
mebbe none too practicable (no decision made yet, haven't even enquired if
any are available - plenty needed a lot of work/tidying up) - consequently,
I'm back on the shovel again trying to create another vegetable plot in
'solid concrete'!! Luckily, it's chucking it down atm so I'm getting a
little break!!

As the Debuts are *budget* decks, I would think it unlikely they will differ
much but I haven't checked. My main concern with turntables is that they
come in various shapes and sizes at various prices and, like cars, perform
essentially the same task quite differently. A Debut is definitely a 'Nissan
Micra' and I'd hate to think anyone would dismiss summat like a Bentley on
the strength of one....

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:27:32 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

(snipped to just leave the abuse)
"Laurence Payne in the Ass OVER-SNIPPING ****head "



** Childish, asinine CRAPOLOGY !!!


you sickeningly pedantic ASD ****ed bloody IDIOT !


** Precise technical descriptions combined with a public WARNING about YOU
are what they are.
-

Mr Payne in the Ass **** HEAD !!!


What's with this guy?

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 13:27:57 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

You don't have to *humble* yourself, all I needed was your acknowledgement
that you started the direct insults - the difference with you and Plowie is
that he's *earned* the right to insult me (as I have him) - it's to do with
who keeps this ng going......


********. This is the last few lines of your post that started it.
.........................................
Ah. Look at it in a wave editor. There's HUGE amounts of lf rubbish.

Oh dear, another clown who looks at waveforms to *see* what he's
hearing....
..........................................

Top bit was me,suggesting visual analysis. Bottom bit was you,
calling people who did such "clowns". Apology in order, I think? :-)

Now, why do you think subsonic content doesn't matter?


I never said it doesn't ....

So why slag off my suggestion of looking for it?

PISS OFF Payne in the AssTroll
 

"Laurence Payne in the Ass SNIPPING ****head "


It's about how much
longer the belt is than the circumference of the platter (or, more
accurately of the pulley attached to the platter).


** Not "how much longer" but the *percentage* increase.

With a small dia drive pulley and a full 300 mm platter pulley, the increase
can be as little as 1%.


And with a bigger drive pulley mounted further from the platter it
would be more.


** WHAT childish, asinine CRAP !!!



Either of which, like it or not, is a lot different
to: "No matter what size the belt is, it only traverses the motor
pulley once per table revolution."


** NO - it is not " a whole lot different -

you SICKENINGLY pedantic ASD ****ed bloody IDIOT !

Congenital ****WITS like Payne are the SCUM of the Planet.



And why are you calling me names?


** Precise technical descriptions combined with a public WARNING about YOU
are what they really are.

Like them or bloody lump them -

Mr Payne in the ****ing Ass MORON !!!





......... Phil

PISS OFF Payne in the AssTroll
 

Should I feel honoured? :-)