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"lordy" wrote in message
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On 2006-09-03, Keith G wrote:
Faulty motors aside, Don has it when he says (WTTE) that your
expectations
may be too high for the decks you are contemplating. I don't like planks
myself - they are only bloody great transducers at best, better are the
TTs
with massy platters and/or where the motor 'effectively' doesn't exist
(Direct Drive)

Are DirectDrive turntables good? I do remeber this was a turntable war
in years gone by.


I like them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/titl...turntables.htm



An alternative is to get a 2nd hand SL1200 with a good cart. :)
I know 1200 has certain features more suited for DJing etc but from a
pure hifi perspective where does it rank?


Rock solid build quality with a tonearm which many consider to be
'limited' - never bothered me though, I hafta say and my SL-1210 would track
my Sure V15/V *all the way over* at one gram well enough. Not considered
'high end' and none too cheap new at about 350 quid....



Good 1200's have almost zero depreciation.


.....exactly and, tough as they are, some of the secondhand offerings could
have more than a couple of decades of DJ'ing behind them. Check this eBay
search for Technics turntables:

http://electronics.search.ebay.co.uk...1QQsacatZ48647

There are a couple of SL-3200s for *nowt* - I have one sitting next to my
monitor, as I type (it will **** on a Debut for a fraction of the money),
there are a couple of SL-DL1 linear trackers I wouldn't chuck out of bed, an
SL-150 that needs a tonearm that (I'd buy that bugger myself) and a nice
little SL-Q303 that benefits from Quartz Lock speed control and is BIN for
cheaper than a curry but needs a headshell/cart (I have a bucketful of these
if you needed summat cheap) - how can you go wrong?

Make your selection and post the link here and we'll scrute it for you.
Expect scratched/hazy lids on cheap eBay DDs - comes with the territory and
if ever you buy from an eBay wattock, make sure he knows how to ship a deck
or go collect it, if you can!

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Don Pearce wrote:



Oh, well, I won't suggest you look out for a Lenco then, I guess you
never heard one in a better plynth then Don?


Only on the Goldring plinth. Was there another? And did it make a lot
of difference.


At the time, no, only the hollow wooden box they seemed to like putting
them in. A lot of folk now have taken them and put them in high mass
plinths with some success. I am not sure mine is that quiet an example.

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/rumble.mp3

Interestingly while making that sample, I noticed a strange boing in
between tracks. It seems to be on the recording, as its there every time
I play it. Any ideas anyone?

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/boing.mp3

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:54:26 +0100, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:



Oh, well, I won't suggest you look out for a Lenco then, I guess you
never heard one in a better plynth then Don?


Only on the Goldring plinth. Was there another? And did it make a lot
of difference.


At the time, no, only the hollow wooden box they seemed to like putting
them in. A lot of folk now have taken them and put them in high mass
plinths with some success. I am not sure mine is that quiet an example.

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/rumble.mp3


An awful lot better than poor old Lordy's deck, however bad it may be.
Still a fair amount of rumble going on there, though.


Interestingly while making that sample, I noticed a strange boing in
between tracks. It seems to be on the recording, as its there every time
I play it. Any ideas anyone?

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/boing.mp3

That boing is almost certainly a small coil spring doing its thing
somewhere underneath. It probably once had a damping sleeve round it
that has since fallen off, rotted away or whatever.

d

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"Keith G" wrote


http://electronics.search.ebay.co.uk...1QQsacatZ48647

There are a couple of SL-3200s for *nowt* - I have one sitting next to my
monitor, as I type (it will **** on a Debut for a fraction of the money),
there are a couple of SL-DL1 linear trackers I wouldn't chuck out of bed,
an SL-150 that needs a tonearm that (I'd buy that bugger myself) and a
nice little SL-Q303 that benefits from Quartz Lock speed control and is
BIN for cheaper than a curry but needs a headshell/cart (I have a
bucketful of these if you needed summat cheap) - how can you go wrong?

Make your selection and post the link here and we'll scrute it for you.
Expect scratched/hazy lids on cheap eBay DDs - comes with the territory
and if ever you buy from an eBay wattock, make sure he knows how to ship a
deck or go collect it, if you can!



Here is 25 seconds of unmodulated groove (HFS69, last track, Side 2), run
out and auto liftoff on my own Technics SL-3200 DD deck with plenty enough
spitch (Shure V15/III) to prove it's running, via a little 30 quid Pioneer
SA-510 amplifier, using its own SS Phono Stage:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/unmodulated.mp3 (approx 800K)


It cost me 46 quid including a very nice Ortofon VMS30/II MM cart - now,
unless I'm missing summat, that's plenty quiet/cheap enough for a bit of
budget LP to PC - no...???

;-)

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:53:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Keith G" wrote


http://electronics.search.ebay.co.uk...1QQsacatZ48647

There are a couple of SL-3200s for *nowt* - I have one sitting next to my
monitor, as I type (it will **** on a Debut for a fraction of the money),
there are a couple of SL-DL1 linear trackers I wouldn't chuck out of bed,
an SL-150 that needs a tonearm that (I'd buy that bugger myself) and a
nice little SL-Q303 that benefits from Quartz Lock speed control and is
BIN for cheaper than a curry but needs a headshell/cart (I have a
bucketful of these if you needed summat cheap) - how can you go wrong?

Make your selection and post the link here and we'll scrute it for you.
Expect scratched/hazy lids on cheap eBay DDs - comes with the territory
and if ever you buy from an eBay wattock, make sure he knows how to ship a
deck or go collect it, if you can!



Here is 25 seconds of unmodulated groove (HFS69, last track, Side 2), run
out and auto liftoff on my own Technics SL-3200 DD deck with plenty enough
spitch (Shure V15/III) to prove it's running, via a little 30 quid Pioneer
SA-510 amplifier, using its own SS Phono Stage:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/unmodulated.mp3 (approx 800K)


It cost me 46 quid including a very nice Ortofon VMS30/II MM cart - now,
unless I'm missing summat, that's plenty quiet/cheap enough for a bit of
budget LP to PC - no...???

;-)



Plenty quiet, as you say. But were you walking around while that was
playing? I could hear some very low thumping noises going on that
didn't sound record-related.

d

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Don Pearce wrote:



Interestingly while making that sample, I noticed a strange boing in
between tracks. It seems to be on the recording, as its there every time
I play it. Any ideas anyone?

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/boing.mp3


That boing is almost certainly a small coil spring doing its thing
somewhere underneath. It probably once had a damping sleeve round it
that has since fallen off, rotted away or whatever.

d


Yes, that would be the obvious thing, and what I thought, except, it
happens at the same place on the recording, every time I try it!!!

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:53:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Keith G" wrote


http://electronics.search.ebay.co.uk...1QQsacatZ48647

There are a couple of SL-3200s for *nowt* - I have one sitting next to
my
monitor, as I type (it will **** on a Debut for a fraction of the
money),
there are a couple of SL-DL1 linear trackers I wouldn't chuck out of
bed,
an SL-150 that needs a tonearm that (I'd buy that bugger myself) and a
nice little SL-Q303 that benefits from Quartz Lock speed control and is
BIN for cheaper than a curry but needs a headshell/cart (I have a
bucketful of these if you needed summat cheap) - how can you go wrong?

Make your selection and post the link here and we'll scrute it for you.
Expect scratched/hazy lids on cheap eBay DDs - comes with the territory
and if ever you buy from an eBay wattock, make sure he knows how to ship
a
deck or go collect it, if you can!



Here is 25 seconds of unmodulated groove (HFS69, last track, Side 2), run
out and auto liftoff on my own Technics SL-3200 DD deck with plenty enough
spitch (Shure V15/III) to prove it's running, via a little 30 quid Pioneer
SA-510 amplifier, using its own SS Phono Stage:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/unmodulated.mp3 (approx 800K)


It cost me 46 quid including a very nice Ortofon VMS30/II MM cart - now,
unless I'm missing summat, that's plenty quiet/cheap enough for a bit of
budget LP to PC - no...???

;-)



Plenty quiet, as you say. But were you walking around while that was
playing? I could hear some very low thumping noises going on that
didn't sound record-related.


I had to put the phones on to hear that (Swim's got the telly on - watching
Monty Don!) - it's odd, kinda regular/kinda not?? Might be the bearing I
suppose - I class it as *quiet* but none is truly *silent* in the final
analysis?? (Otherwise, no idea..!!??)

Perhaps I'll record summat else later on to see if it's still there....

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On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:18:04 +0100, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:



Interestingly while making that sample, I noticed a strange boing in
between tracks. It seems to be on the recording, as its there every time
I play it. Any ideas anyone?

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/boing.mp3


That boing is almost certainly a small coil spring doing its thing
somewhere underneath. It probably once had a damping sleeve round it
that has since fallen off, rotted away or whatever.

d


Yes, that would be the obvious thing, and what I thought, except, it
happens at the same place on the recording, every time I try it!!!

Only that recording? Oh well, it is almost certainly a small coil
spring doing its thing somewhere underneath the cutting lathe!

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 21:21:40 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:53:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Keith G" wrote


http://electronics.search.ebay.co.uk...1QQsacatZ48647

There are a couple of SL-3200s for *nowt* - I have one sitting next to
my
monitor, as I type (it will **** on a Debut for a fraction of the
money),
there are a couple of SL-DL1 linear trackers I wouldn't chuck out of
bed,
an SL-150 that needs a tonearm that (I'd buy that bugger myself) and a
nice little SL-Q303 that benefits from Quartz Lock speed control and is
BIN for cheaper than a curry but needs a headshell/cart (I have a
bucketful of these if you needed summat cheap) - how can you go wrong?

Make your selection and post the link here and we'll scrute it for you.
Expect scratched/hazy lids on cheap eBay DDs - comes with the territory
and if ever you buy from an eBay wattock, make sure he knows how to ship
a
deck or go collect it, if you can!



Here is 25 seconds of unmodulated groove (HFS69, last track, Side 2), run
out and auto liftoff on my own Technics SL-3200 DD deck with plenty enough
spitch (Shure V15/III) to prove it's running, via a little 30 quid Pioneer
SA-510 amplifier, using its own SS Phono Stage:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/unmodulated.mp3 (approx 800K)


It cost me 46 quid including a very nice Ortofon VMS30/II MM cart - now,
unless I'm missing summat, that's plenty quiet/cheap enough for a bit of
budget LP to PC - no...???

;-)



Plenty quiet, as you say. But were you walking around while that was
playing? I could hear some very low thumping noises going on that
didn't sound record-related.


I had to put the phones on to hear that (Swim's got the telly on - watching
Monty Don!) - it's odd, kinda regular/kinda not?? Might be the bearing I
suppose - I class it as *quiet* but none is truly *silent* in the final
analysis?? (Otherwise, no idea..!!??)

Perhaps I'll record summat else later on to see if it's still there....


You need to get building that sub! I could hear it plain as day
through speakers. I'm not convinced it was originating in the deck at
all.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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Don Pearce wrote:


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/unmodulated.mp3 (approx 800K)


It cost me 46 quid including a very nice Ortofon VMS30/II MM cart - now,
unless I'm missing summat, that's plenty quiet/cheap enough for a bit of
budget LP to PC - no...???

;-)




Plenty quiet, as you say. But were you walking around while that was
playing? I could hear some very low thumping noises going on that
didn't sound record-related.

d


Compairing that to similar here, I would say you are about 3-6db
quieter. It does show I have some hum to fix though.

Keith: http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/dd-noise.jpg

Me: http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/lenco-noise.jpg

I have a nasty feeling that hum is motor induced, with the input to the
phono stage disconnected, it a lot less, but still more than I want.

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob/phono-nose.jpg

I will try moving the PC next to the phono stage some time, as there is
still hum with the phono powered down.

http://www.lurcher.org/nick/audio/ob...background.jpg

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Nick