Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

For those of you following my saga at
http://www.lordy.org.uk/noise.html, some noise has come back. (see
latest mp3 clip at website). It is not
as pronounced as the first time but its definitely there. I have not
moved or changed any wiring since I hooked up this exchanged deck to my
PC.
Any ideas or suggestions welcome! (Well almost any... One certain
individual can rest assured they are KF'd and can save themselves the
effort of typing :)

Lordy

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On 2006-09-03, lordy wrote:
For those of you following my saga at
http://www.lordy.org.uk/noise.html, some noise has come back. (see
latest mp3 clip at website). It is not
as pronounced as the first time but its definitely there. I have not
moved or changed any wiring since I hooked up this exchanged deck to my
PC.
Any ideas or suggestions welcome! (Well almost any... One certain
individual can rest assured they are KF'd and can save themselves the
effort of typing :)

Lordy

I'm tempted to go for a Project Xpression2, esp after seeing all that
6Hz stuff on both Debut decks.

Lordy

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:58:04 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-09-03, lordy wrote:
For those of you following my saga at
http://www.lordy.org.uk/noise.html, some noise has come back. (see
latest mp3 clip at website). It is not
as pronounced as the first time but its definitely there. I have not
moved or changed any wiring since I hooked up this exchanged deck to my
PC.
Any ideas or suggestions welcome! (Well almost any... One certain
individual can rest assured they are KF'd and can save themselves the
effort of typing :)

Lordy

I'm tempted to go for a Project Xpression2, esp after seeing all that
6Hz stuff on both Debut decks.

Lordy


I'm tempted to ask why you would go for another Project anything given
what you have found. For the same money, scout around Ebay for a deck
of much better lineage. I think what you have revealed here
(particularly the belt off sounds) is that the deck is simply
insufficiently well engineered for your audio requirements.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:58:04 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-09-03, lordy wrote:
For those of you following my saga at
http://www.lordy.org.uk/noise.html, some noise has come back. (see
latest mp3 clip at website). It is not
as pronounced as the first time but its definitely there. I have not
moved or changed any wiring since I hooked up this exchanged deck to my
PC.
Any ideas or suggestions welcome! (Well almost any... One certain
individual can rest assured they are KF'd and can save themselves the
effort of typing :)

Lordy

I'm tempted to go for a Project Xpression2, esp after seeing all that
6Hz stuff on both Debut decks.

Lordy


I'm tempted to ask why you would go for another Project anything given
what you have found.

I was thinking the same thing. I couldn't see any alternatives at Richer
Sounds in the same price range.

For the same money, scout around Ebay for a deck
of much better lineage.

I could be wrong but I dont like buying 2nd things that are highly
mechanical in nature (eg HardDrives, Printers etc). and I'm fairly
sensitive to flutter.

I think what you have revealed here
(particularly the belt off sounds) is that the deck is simply
insufficiently well engineered for your audio requirements.

That would be my suspicion except this deck seems to get rave reviews
everywhere I look, and hardly a bad word said about it. Puzzling.

d

Lordy

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 11:55:08 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 00:58:04 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-09-03, lordy wrote:
For those of you following my saga at
http://www.lordy.org.uk/noise.html, some noise has come back. (see
latest mp3 clip at website). It is not
as pronounced as the first time but its definitely there. I have not
moved or changed any wiring since I hooked up this exchanged deck to my
PC.
Any ideas or suggestions welcome! (Well almost any... One certain
individual can rest assured they are KF'd and can save themselves the
effort of typing :)

Lordy

I'm tempted to go for a Project Xpression2, esp after seeing all that
6Hz stuff on both Debut decks.

Lordy


I'm tempted to ask why you would go for another Project anything given
what you have found.

I was thinking the same thing. I couldn't see any alternatives at Richer
Sounds in the same price range.

For the same money, scout around Ebay for a deck
of much better lineage.

I could be wrong but I dont like buying 2nd things that are highly
mechanical in nature (eg HardDrives, Printers etc). and I'm fairly
sensitive to flutter.

I think what you have revealed here
(particularly the belt off sounds) is that the deck is simply
insufficiently well engineered for your audio requirements.

That would be my suspicion except this deck seems to get rave reviews
everywhere I look, and hardly a bad word said about it. Puzzling.

d

I've been thinking. I don't know this deck, so I have no idea how
flexible the various bits are, but is there any chance that when you
put it down on a soft, uneven surface, you are actually pushing the
bottom panel up sufficiently to touch the motor chassis? That could
easily have this sort of effect.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
I've been thinking. I don't know this deck, so I have no idea how
flexible the various bits are, but is there any chance that when you
put it down on a soft, uneven surface, you are actually pushing the
bottom panel up sufficiently to touch the motor chassis? That could
easily have this sort of effect.

Hi,
Just checked with it resting on a firm flat surface, and holding it in
mid-air, same noise.

Lordy

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:22:59 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
I've been thinking. I don't know this deck, so I have no idea how
flexible the various bits are, but is there any chance that when you
put it down on a soft, uneven surface, you are actually pushing the
bottom panel up sufficiently to touch the motor chassis? That could
easily have this sort of effect.

Hi,
Just checked with it resting on a firm flat surface, and holding it in
mid-air, same noise.

Lordy

Oh well - worth a try.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

"lordy" wrote in message
...
On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
I've been thinking. I don't know this deck, so I have no idea how
flexible the various bits are, but is there any chance that when you
put it down on a soft, uneven surface, you are actually pushing the
bottom panel up sufficiently to touch the motor chassis? That could
easily have this sort of effect.

Hi,
Just checked with it resting on a firm flat surface, and holding it in
mid-air, same noise.


This positively screams *transit screws* to me - are you sure you've taken
them off??

I have only had experience of one Debut myself but there were no such
problems with it. As you say, they have been reviewed many times and many
thousands have been sold - I have not seen anything like that noise
mentioned *anywhere* and no-one in his right mind would put up with it!! So,
unless you have been double unlucky (same batch/same shipment/same fault?) I
would say the fault lies with you - try lifting the earth on the computer
mains lead (or better yet on an extension lead - **at your own risk**) and
see if it helps. I seem to remember having to do that at one time.....

Planks like the cheaper Debuts and Regas are never going to be the
*quietest* decks and spending your way further up this particular avenue
doesn't promise a fix, if you ask me. Also eBay can be a bit of a minefield
if you don't know what you are doing so I would try and get the deck you
have sorted. Is there somewhere else you can try it - another location or
can you borrow another deck to compare?

Where are you located? You could bring it here (St Neots, Cambs) and I could
'it it wiv a nammer for you....!! ;-)

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On 2006-09-03, Keith G wrote:

"lordy" wrote in message
...
On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
I've been thinking. I don't know this deck, so I have no idea how
flexible the various bits are, but is there any chance that when you
put it down on a soft, uneven surface, you are actually pushing the
bottom panel up sufficiently to touch the motor chassis? That could
easily have this sort of effect.

Hi,
Just checked with it resting on a firm flat surface, and holding it in
mid-air, same noise.


This positively screams *transit screws* to me - are you sure you've taken
them off??

Transit screws are off - honest!. Motor is freely suspended on elastic
band thingy. In fact just prior to your post I had removed the top of
the platter and put an old 7" on the lower platter and rested the
stylus on it so I could access the motor whilst turntable was in play
position. With the belt off I could feel the same vibration on the
motor, and when I pressed the motor to be in transit position the noise
was about 10 time louder. (same frequency though!)

You want jpegs :)


I have only had experience of one Debut myself but there were no such
problems with it. As you say, they have been reviewed many times and many
thousands have been sold - I have not seen anything like that noise
mentioned *anywhere* and no-one in his right mind would put up with it!! So,
unless you have been double unlucky (same batch/same shipment/same fault?) I
would say the fault lies with you

I can see your POV. From my above experiment it is definitely motor
vibration coming through and not electrical.

- try lifting the earth on the computer
mains lead (or better yet on an extension lead - **at your own risk**) and
see if it helps. I seem to remember having to do that at one time.....

Planks like the cheaper Debuts and Regas are never going to be the
*quietest* decks and spending your way further up this particular avenue
doesn't promise a fix, if you ask me. Also eBay can be a bit of a minefield
if you don't know what you are doing so I would try and get the deck you
have sorted. Is there somewhere else you can try it - another location or
can you borrow another deck to compare?

I'm gonna try to get them to play it at Richer Sounds. or try one last
exchange..

Where are you located? You could bring it here (St Neots, Cambs) and I could
'it it wiv a nammer for you....!! ;-)


Lordy

Noise on Project Debut III is back....
 

On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 12:55:35 GMT, lordy wrote:

On 2006-09-03, Keith G wrote:

"lordy" wrote in message
...
On 2006-09-03, Don Pearce wrote:
I've been thinking. I don't know this deck, so I have no idea how
flexible the various bits are, but is there any chance that when you
put it down on a soft, uneven surface, you are actually pushing the
bottom panel up sufficiently to touch the motor chassis? That could
easily have this sort of effect.

Hi,
Just checked with it resting on a firm flat surface, and holding it in
mid-air, same noise.


This positively screams *transit screws* to me - are you sure you've taken
them off??

Transit screws are off - honest!. Motor is freely suspended on elastic
band thingy. In fact just prior to your post I had removed the top of
the platter and put an old 7" on the lower platter and rested the
stylus on it so I could access the motor whilst turntable was in play
position. With the belt off I could feel the same vibration on the
motor, and when I pressed the motor to be in transit position the noise
was about 10 time louder. (same frequency though!)

You want jpegs :)


I have only had experience of one Debut myself but there were no such
problems with it. As you say, they have been reviewed many times and many
thousands have been sold - I have not seen anything like that noise
mentioned *anywhere* and no-one in his right mind would put up with it!! So,
unless you have been double unlucky (same batch/same shipment/same fault?) I
would say the fault lies with you

I can see your POV. From my above experiment it is definitely motor
vibration coming through and not electrical.

- try lifting the earth on the computer
mains lead (or better yet on an extension lead - **at your own risk**) and
see if it helps. I seem to remember having to do that at one time.....

Planks like the cheaper Debuts and Regas are never going to be the
*quietest* decks and spending your way further up this particular avenue
doesn't promise a fix, if you ask me. Also eBay can be a bit of a minefield
if you don't know what you are doing so I would try and get the deck you
have sorted. Is there somewhere else you can try it - another location or
can you borrow another deck to compare?

I'm gonna try to get them to play it at Richer Sounds. or try one last
exchange..

Where are you located? You could bring it here (St Neots, Cambs) and I could
'it it wiv a nammer for you....!! ;-)


Lordy




The motor really shouldn't be vibrating at all, certainly tho one in
my Systemdek doesn't. It certainly sounds like the suspension is
making the best it can of a rather bad situation. So the question is
really one of whether all Debut motors are like this, or you have yet
another bad one.

I really wouldn't bother trying to get the Richer guys to listen to it
though - just tell them it is no good. They aren't Hi Fi people so
much as box shifters.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com