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Bob Latham wrote:

My apologies. I wrote this several days ago and decided not to post
it as it was utterly pointless. Pluto (I know Dave and Jim know what
that is) saved the file in the drafts box. I examined this today and
somehow it got posted. Not intended.

Add me to that list... I always quite liked the look of Pluto. Only
problem I had with it was that it wouldn't work with an "online" mail
server (IMAP). Did have an entertaining few minutes talking to the guy
who wrote it when he got it reading out emails in a broad West Midlands
accent. :-)

Sadly my RISC PC now gets used almost solely as a MIDI sequencer.

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Glenn Richards wrote:
My apologies. I wrote this several days ago and decided not to post
it as it was utterly pointless. Pluto (I know Dave and Jim know what
that is) saved the file in the drafts box. I examined this today and
somehow it got posted. Not intended.

Add me to that list... I always quite liked the look of Pluto. Only
problem I had with it was that it wouldn't work with an "online" mail
server (IMAP).

Pluto is merely the news and e-mail reader. The transport to and from
whatever server is provided by a different programme. In my case, POPStar
for e-mail and NewsHound for news. And these can be user configured to
work with pretty well any server, as far as I know.

Did have an entertaining few minutes talking to the guy
who wrote it when he got it reading out emails in a broad West Midlands
accent. :-)

Yup. Quite a large range of accents available.

Sadly my RISC PC now gets used almost solely as a MIDI sequencer.

I use mine for all news and e-mail, ordinary mail and faxes, the superb
Draw prog and Prophet for my accounts. And for most surfing due to the
immunity from viruses etc. Only use the 'dark side' where that is better,
like handling video files, etc.

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Bob Latham wrote:
In my case, POPStar for e-mail and NewsHound for news. And
these can be user configured to work with pretty well any server, as far
as I know.

Sorry Dave IMAP isn't like fetching your email with pop3 or smtp. It is
more like web mail where all your emails are held on a remote server and
not stored locally. When you want to read an email, even one you read
last week it as to be fetched again from the server. Pluto cannot do
this. It wasn't designed with this in mind.

I'm confused. If it's held on a remote server, presumably you read it with
a browser or dedicated software?

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Bob Latham
wrote:
In my case, POPStar for e-mail and NewsHound for news. And these can
be user configured to work with pretty well any server, as far as I
know.

Sorry Dave IMAP isn't like fetching your email with pop3 or smtp. It
is more like web mail where all your emails are held on a remote
server and not stored locally. When you want to read an email, even
one you read last week it as to be fetched again from the server.
Pluto cannot do this. It wasn't designed with this in mind.

I'm confused. If it's held on a remote server, presumably you read it
with a browser or dedicated software?

This is all taking me back to the days of using pine, telnet, etc... :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Jim Lesurf wrote:
My apologies. I wrote this several days ago and decided not to post it
as it was utterly pointless. Pluto (I know Dave and Jim know what that
is) saved the file in the drafts box. I examined this today and somehow
it got posted. Not intended.

I also have found it awkward that Jonathan put the bin right next to the
tick. :-)

You've got me confused now, Jim. ;-)

To save a draft I just click on the delete cross and the popup gives you
the choice of discarding or saving the draught.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Sorry Dave IMAP isn't like fetching your email with pop3 or smtp.
It is more like web mail where all your emails are held on a remote
server and not stored locally. When you want to read an email, even
one you read last week it as to be fetched again from the server.
Pluto cannot do this. It wasn't designed with this in mind.
I'm confused. If it's held on a remote server, presumably you read it
with a browser or dedicated software?

Ok... (puts layman's hat on)...

With POP3 you download your email onto your PC (or Mac, or Acorn,
whatever). It's then stored on your hard disk.

With IMAP all emails are stored in a central repository and are fetched
onto your computer when you open the message.

This might seem wasteful, having to transfer the whole message across
the network every time you want to open it. But imagine that you want to
access the same mailbox from your desktop PC, laptop, PDA, mobile phone
etc. You can.

Which is exactly what I do. Thunderbird on the desktop PC and laptops,
the built in IMAP mail client on my phone (Nokia 9500), and if I want to
access emails from anywhere I can use webmail, which is basically an
HTML wrapper around IMAP.

Now imagine you've got an office full of people, all of whom have a
desktop PC. Some have laptops as well. Some have PDAs. Can you imagine
what would happen if they all used POP3 to download emails? "Where did
that email go? Is it on my laptop, my desktop, my PDA..."

If you're accessing emails from one PC only then POP3 is the way to go.
If however you want to be able to access from anywhere then use IMAP.

Think how Newsbase used to work with TTFN or Messenger. Newsbase was the
repository, with TTFN or Messenger working as the client. Ok, so they
were talking to each other on one computer, but there's no reason why
they couldn't have been extended over a network.

SMTP isn't a "userland" protocol for fetching mail, it's used to deliver
mail to the target host. For reading emails you use POP3 or IMAP.

Hmmm... I think that lot makes sense... ;-)

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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:00:19 +0100, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Sorry Dave IMAP isn't like fetching your email with pop3 or smtp.
It is more like web mail where all your emails are held on a remote
server and not stored locally. When you want to read an email, even
one you read last week it as to be fetched again from the server.
Pluto cannot do this. It wasn't designed with this in mind.
I'm confused. If it's held on a remote server, presumably you read it
with a browser or dedicated software?

Ok... (puts layman's hat on)...

With POP3 you download your email onto your PC (or Mac, or Acorn,
whatever). It's then stored on your hard disk.

With IMAP all emails are stored in a central repository and are fetched
onto your computer when you open the message.

This might seem wasteful, having to transfer the whole message across
the network every time you want to open it. But imagine that you want to
access the same mailbox from your desktop PC, laptop, PDA, mobile phone
etc. You can.

Which is exactly what I do. Thunderbird on the desktop PC and laptops,
the built in IMAP mail client on my phone (Nokia 9500), and if I want to
access emails from anywhere I can use webmail, which is basically an
HTML wrapper around IMAP.

Now imagine you've got an office full of people, all of whom have a
desktop PC. Some have laptops as well. Some have PDAs. Can you imagine
what would happen if they all used POP3 to download emails? "Where did
that email go? Is it on my laptop, my desktop, my PDA..."

If you're accessing emails from one PC only then POP3 is the way to go.
If however you want to be able to access from anywhere then use IMAP.

Think how Newsbase used to work with TTFN or Messenger. Newsbase was the
repository, with TTFN or Messenger working as the client. Ok, so they
were talking to each other on one computer, but there's no reason why
they couldn't have been extended over a network.

SMTP isn't a "userland" protocol for fetching mail, it's used to deliver
mail to the target host. For reading emails you use POP3 or IMAP.

Hmmm... I think that lot makes sense... ;-)

Don't forget that with POP3 you always have the option to leave a copy
of the email on the server, so you can still access it from multiple
sites.

d

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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:00:19 +0100, Glenn Richards
wrote:

This might seem wasteful, having to transfer the whole message across
the network every time you want to open it. But imagine that you want to
access the same mailbox from your desktop PC, laptop, PDA, mobile phone
etc. You can.

And, of course, you can with POP too.

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Don Pearce wrote:

Don't forget that with POP3 you always have the option to leave a copy
of the email on the server, so you can still access it from multiple
sites.

You can, but... it's a hack. IMAP was designed for that kind of thing.

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Laurence Payne wrote:

This might seem wasteful, having to transfer the whole message
across the network every time you want to open it. But imagine that
you want to access the same mailbox from your desktop PC, laptop,
PDA, mobile phone etc. You can.
And, of course, you can with POP too.

As I said in an earlier reply, you can, but it's a horrible hack. IMAP
was designed to do this kind of thing, and supports setting flags (read,
replied, forwarded etc) and folders, subfolders etc, which POP3 doesn't.

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