In article , Rob
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Keith G
wrote:

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as
having said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

Purely by co-incidence I just put up this page...

http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioM...ndLPsales.html

If you wish to comment on 7" sales, then you might also like to
consider those for 12" singles as well. :-)


Is that music shipped or bought, and does it include independents?

ahem I draw your attention to the last couple of paragraphs on the above
webpage. :-)

From what I understand, the figures are for items sold, with 'returns'
subtracted. I also suspect that the meaning of 'DVD music' differs for the
BPI and RIAA figures. But I am simply presenting the figures 'as given'
since I have no way to assess how accurately the portray the actual market.
Thought that at least that way people could see them, and make of them what
they will.

What I found interesting was that the UK figures for 12" seemed to be
falling as those for 7" were rising, and that although magazines, etc, were
reporting the figures for 7" sales rising, no-one had mentioned the fall
for 12" sales. It gave me the impression that those who had been buying 12"
singles were changing to 7" for some reason,. But I have no other info
which relates to this, so I have no idea if the same people are involved,
or not.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote


What I found interesting was that the UK figures for 12" seemed to be
falling as those for 7" were rising, and that although magazines, etc,
were
reporting the figures for 7" sales rising, no-one had mentioned the fall
for 12" sales. It gave me the impression that those who had been buying
12"
singles were changing to 7" for some reason,. But I have no other info
which relates to this, so I have no idea if the same people are involved,
or not.



Without *reliable* statistics and other information (see my other post about
publically quoted figures) we can only *guess*, but I sincerely doubt the
12" and 7" markets are interchangeable...??

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Jim Lesurf" wrote


What I found interesting was that the UK figures for 12" seemed to be
falling as those for 7" were rising, and that although magazines, etc,
were
reporting the figures for 7" sales rising, no-one had mentioned the fall
for 12" sales. It gave me the impression that those who had been buying
12"
singles were changing to 7" for some reason,. But I have no other info
which relates to this, so I have no idea if the same people are involved,
or not.



Without *reliable* statistics and other information (see my other post
about publically quoted figures) we can only *guess*, but I sincerely
doubt the 12" and 7" markets are interchangeable...??

A large percentage of 12" 45rpm discs are distributed as promo
material to DJs and radio stations, and so do not feature in sales figures.
There are a lot of these about. Most are marked "Not for sale"

Iain

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as
having said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

Purely by co-incidence I just put up this page...

http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioM...ndLPsales.html

If you wish to comment on 7" sales, then you might also like to consider
those for 12" singles as well. :-)



Sure, why not - and tins of baked beans as well...??

I'm sorry, but seeing those figures/graphs based on BPI data has me reaching
for the salt cellar - elsewhere, I have seen nothing but reports of rapidly
falling CD sales and the manufacturing arm of the MI having to shed
shedloads of jobs as a result....?? (Or have I imagined all that - I'm sure
yer auld mate NK said summat to that effect..??)

Incidentally, the phrase "The right-hand plots is for albums, and the
left-hand plots for singles." is the wrong way round, according to the
graphs! ;-)


Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some
of these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love
playing them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a
stack of singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them
than some of the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

I heard a report about this on R4 last night. The report included a
comment
attributed to a BPI spokesman to the effect that, "They may be buying them
for 'fashion' reasons as many of the purchasers probably have no way to
play them."


Again BPI.....???

I've no doubt that 'cool' and faddishness will play a big part, but the fact
remains that at least one 16 year old made the comment about having
something *physical* to play...??

In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...


Incidentally, the phrase "The right-hand plots is for albums, and the
left-hand plots for singles." is the wrong way round, according to the
graphs! ;-)

Oops! Typo, will correct. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html