"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
The only reason I thump the vinyl tub* here is because a (very) small
number of people are in complete *denial* on the subject and have
tried to talk it into oblivion - waste of fakkin' time, I'm afraid,
the true 'audio enthusiasts' (not the Chav mass-market who can be fed
anything) aren't listening, it would appear!! ;-)

Wonder what on *earth* you think you mean about 'denial'. To me
suggests a secret love of vinyl while publicly expressing a preference
for CD. Well, I've got news for you...

However, you're the one who is the evangelist for vinyl. Despite there
being a dedicated vinyl group - which few appear to use, even although
it's on the same infrastructure as this one so readily accessible. So
the only logical conclusion is you have a need to try and convert
others to your love of what is an essentially flawed and outdated
system.


Logic? What like:

Abraham Lincoln liked meat.

Dogs like meat.

Therefore Abraham Lincoln was a dog...???

You seem to be missing my occasional 'I don't give a FF who
likes/uses/prefers vinyl or who doesn't!' remarks! I'm no Evangelist,
I'm not even an advocate - I'm only an enthusiast.

No matter how often you state such a view you simply don't come across in
this way in general


??

What? Enthusiastic??


- the paragraph I replied to is a perfect example. You
never miss a chance to emphasise how good you think vinyl is. And seem to
want the world to join you.


Do I ****. How many times do have to say it - I really don't give a rat's
arse who uses/likes vinyl or who doesn't.

rationale typed and snipped

Frankly Plowie, if you don't like what I type, don't read it!

It's as simple as that.....

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Frankly Plowie, if you don't like what I type, don't read it!

Then why make contentious statements if you don't want others to disagree
with them?
Or perhaps you don't think saying things like 'in denial' contentious?

--
*A closed mouth gathers no feet.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Frankly Plowie, if you don't like what I type, don't read it!

Then why make contentious statements if you don't want others to disagree
with them?
Or perhaps you don't think saying things like 'in denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think vinyl is. And seem to
want the world to join you.

Does that work for you?

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Then why make contentious statements if you don't want others to
disagree with them? Or perhaps you don't think saying things like 'in
denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think vinyl is.

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very finest CD.
That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor there.
As, of course, were many vinyl records.

And seem to want the world to join you.

I personally couldn't care less and simply respond to the extravagant
claims made on here for vinyl - including by some who should know
better. ;-)

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*Microsoft broke Volkswagen's record: They only made 21.4 million bugs.

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Then why make contentious statements if you don't want others to
disagree with them? Or perhaps you don't think saying things like 'in
denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think vinyl is.

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very finest
CD.


Absolute rubbish.


That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor there.
As, of course, were many vinyl records.


Agreed.


And seem to want the world to join you.

I personally couldn't care less and simply respond to the extravagant
claims made on here for vinyl - including by some who should know
better. ;-)


And I only respond when I see 'denial' of the following:

That many believe LP can sound a lot better than CD.

That many people play and enjoy LPs.

That LPs and 45s are still being manufactured.

That there are continuing/increasing 'high volume' sales of turntables and
other associated products - carts &c....

(See even the Oz newspaper article....)

That no vinylist I know has any strong view about others not liking it.

....by some who should know better... ;-)

Now, if these Denial Boyz just said 'I think vinyl sounds ****e' I'd say
'fine' and move on.

If the Denial Boyz said nothing at all, I would probably do the same...

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
And I only respond when I see 'denial' of the following:

That many believe LP can sound a lot better than CD.

Absolutely nothing I've ever read on here 'denies' this.

That many people play and enjoy LPs.

Likewise.

That LPs and 45s are still being manufactured.

Likewise.

That there are continuing/increasing 'high volume' sales of turntables
and other associated products - carts &c....

(See even the Oz newspaper article....)

Depends on what you mean by 'high'. Most would consider high to be at
least approaching the sales of equipment to play CDs etc, and this just
isn't the case.

That no vinylist I know has any strong view about others not liking it.

Apart from yourself?

...by some who should know better... ;-)

Now, if these Denial Boyz just said 'I think vinyl sounds ****e' I'd say
'fine' and move on.

You might - but in your next post will be raving on about it.

If the Denial Boyz said nothing at all, I would probably do the same...

I see you've still not taken on board the true meaning of 'in denial'. I'm
surprised, given you've said you have experience of alcoholism.

--
*I don't work here. I'm a consultant

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
And I only respond when I see 'denial' of the following:

That many believe LP can sound a lot better than CD.

Absolutely nothing I've ever read on here 'denies' this.

That many people play and enjoy LPs.

Likewise.

That LPs and 45s are still being manufactured.

Likewise.

That there are continuing/increasing 'high volume' sales of turntables
and other associated products - carts &c....

(See even the Oz newspaper article....)

Depends on what you mean by 'high'. Most would consider high to be at
least approaching the sales of equipment to play CDs etc, and this just
isn't the case.

That no vinylist I know has any strong view about others not liking it.

Apart from yourself?

...by some who should know better... ;-)

Now, if these Denial Boyz just said 'I think vinyl sounds ****e' I'd say
'fine' and move on.

You might - but in your next post will be raving on about it.

If the Denial Boyz said nothing at all, I would probably do the same...

I see you've still not taken on board the true meaning of 'in denial'. I'm
surprised, given you've said you have experience of alcoholism.


Alcoholism???

WTF are you on about - I'm 99.99% teetotal...?? (4, 5 or maybe 6 cold beers
all this *year*...??)

You've gone all slashy and slanderous Plowie, or you're mixing me up with
someone else here..???

But, whatever, you've demonstrated *yet again* that you can only go a few
weeks before posting twisted, maggotty crap like all of the above. Yet
another wasted opportunity to brighten up your sad, little life. I've cut
you a lot more slack than I would normally bother to do with someone like
you, but I'm done with you now....

Welcome to my ****ter....

*splash*

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Then why make contentious statements if you don't want others to
disagree with them? Or perhaps you don't think saying things like 'in
denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think vinyl is.

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very finest CD.
That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor there.
As, of course, were many vinyl records.


What a peculiar set of statements! You should be aware that many find
vinyl is at least as good as CD in like for like terms: fact.

And seem to want the world to join you.

I personally couldn't care less and simply respond to the extravagant
claims made on here for vinyl - including by some who should know
better. ;-)


Extravagant claims?! What did you have in mind?

"Rob" wrote in
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Then why make contentious statements if you don't want
others to disagree with them? Or perhaps you don't
think saying things like 'in denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think
vinyl is.

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in
like for like terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not
be as good as the very finest CD.

A LP can't possibly duplicate the dynamic range and frequency response
flattness in the audio range of a CD.

That some CDs are
poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor there.

Of course.

As, of course, were many vinyl records.

One of the problems that the CD format solved were the high rate of returns
of defective LPs, in the day of.

What a peculiar set of statements! You should be aware
that many find vinyl is at least as good as CD in like
for like terms: fact.

Actually, pretty factual.

In article ,
Rob wrote:
No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very
finest CD. That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither
here nor there. As, of course, were many vinyl records.


What a peculiar set of statements! You should be aware that many find
vinyl is at least as good as CD in like for like terms: fact.

Perhaps background noise doesn't bother you. Distortion - increasing as
you reach the centre of the disc. Wear and tear. Even more clicks and pops
as they get older.

Yes, truly vinyl is as good as CD.

--
*Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?

Dave Plowman London SW
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