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"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message

fish wrote:
not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver was
originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during soldering. Since
then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about it.

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`
Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

In this context, it usually means ordinary solder with 2% silver added so as
not to leach silver from the connection.

Norm Strong

Sound card to amp?
 

`
Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

In this context, it usually means ordinary solder with 2% silver added so as
not to leach silver from the connection.

Norm Strong

Sound card to amp?
 

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message


fish wrote:

not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick


Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver was
originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during soldering. Since
then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about it.



So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Does it look different? Is it possible to look inside the kit and say,
"Ahh, good, *silver* solder"?


--
Nick H (UK)

Sound card to amp?
 

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message


fish wrote:

not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick


Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver was
originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during soldering. Since
then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about it.



So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Does it look different? Is it possible to look inside the kit and say,
"Ahh, good, *silver* solder"?


--
Nick H (UK)

Sound card to amp?
 

you may be correct, most audiophile equipment manufacturers sell snake oil.

I believe anything that reduces corrosion can last longer. The gold and
platinum pots have hardly been cleaned over the least 20 years and they are
very silent. I have also never had an issue with lose of ground or
connection and the unit has been moved (tossed) around quite a bit.

But its all BS. I mean, monster cable or lamp-cord, same ****e! Aluminum
couplings from Radio Shack are not any less effective as gold-plated silver
ones from the 'audiophile' store. It's amazing how gullible people are. Make
a $269 interconnect and they will buy it. Hell, I bet you can switch it with
that spaghetti string crap that RCA ships with its $69 DVD players sold
everywhere from you local supermarket to the nationwide Electronics-R-Us
stores and they will never know. Stick it in a thick rubber case and tell
them it was $499 and they will tell you how much better is sounds, right?
Interconnects have no effects on the sound texture at all and for that
matter, the internal wiring of any component can be cheapened to help reduce
overall consumer cost. Same for power transformers.

Yup, snake oil and hair tonic.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message

fish wrote:
not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver was
originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during soldering.
Since
then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about it.

Sound card to amp?
 

you may be correct, most audiophile equipment manufacturers sell snake oil.

I believe anything that reduces corrosion can last longer. The gold and
platinum pots have hardly been cleaned over the least 20 years and they are
very silent. I have also never had an issue with lose of ground or
connection and the unit has been moved (tossed) around quite a bit.

But its all BS. I mean, monster cable or lamp-cord, same ****e! Aluminum
couplings from Radio Shack are not any less effective as gold-plated silver
ones from the 'audiophile' store. It's amazing how gullible people are. Make
a $269 interconnect and they will buy it. Hell, I bet you can switch it with
that spaghetti string crap that RCA ships with its $69 DVD players sold
everywhere from you local supermarket to the nationwide Electronics-R-Us
stores and they will never know. Stick it in a thick rubber case and tell
them it was $499 and they will tell you how much better is sounds, right?
Interconnects have no effects on the sound texture at all and for that
matter, the internal wiring of any component can be cheapened to help reduce
overall consumer cost. Same for power transformers.

Yup, snake oil and hair tonic.


"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message

fish wrote:
not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver was
originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during soldering.
Since
then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have been made about it.

Sound card to amp?
 

"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message


fish wrote:

not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know
something about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches
and brazing temperatures i.e. red-hot metal. What does it mean in
this context? Nick

Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver
was originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during
soldering. Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have
been made about it.

So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Probably, although the melting points of alloys seem to be hard to predict.
I think that materials cost has more influence on any decisions to minimize
the amount of silver.

Does it look different? Is it possible to look inside the kit and say,
"Ahh, good, *silver* solder"?

AFAIK, no. You can find nice silvery connections in products made with
ordinary solder.

The point is that other than the stated benefit which relates mostly to
soldering RF circuitry (commonly silver-plated), there are no known audible
or measurable benefits to using silver-enriched tin-lead solder to wire up
audio gear.

Here's a list of some varied solder alloys, and the legitimate claims that
can be made for them:

http://www.toaei.com/Insulation/alloy_solder.htm

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"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Nick H (UK)" wrote in message


fish wrote:

not inside my amp.

All the wiring and control pods in my amp are very high grade
oxygen-free copper with silver solder

Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know
something about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches
and brazing temperatures i.e. red-hot metal. What does it mean in
this context? Nick

Tin-lead solder with a few percent of silver. I believe the silver
was originally added to reduce erosion of silver plating during
soldering. Since then all sorts of ignorant snake-oil claims have
been made about it.

So it's the usual stuff with just a little bit silver added. I would
guess that it would have to be a very very tiny amount not to take the
melting pint over what can be achieved with a soldering iron.

Probably, although the melting points of alloys seem to be hard to predict.
I think that materials cost has more influence on any decisions to minimize
the amount of silver.

Does it look different? Is it possible to look inside the kit and say,
"Ahh, good, *silver* solder"?

AFAIK, no. You can find nice silvery connections in products made with
ordinary solder.

The point is that other than the stated benefit which relates mostly to
soldering RF circuitry (commonly silver-plated), there are no known audible
or measurable benefits to using silver-enriched tin-lead solder to wire up
audio gear.

Here's a list of some varied solder alloys, and the legitimate claims that
can be made for them:

http://www.toaei.com/Insulation/alloy_solder.htm

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so then the gold and platinum-plated stuff is done only to reduce corrosion?

I have played the cable and interconnect game and have found that the any
good quality interconnect sounds as good as expensive ones. I have a friend
that buys into all that crap, including $1200 power conditioners. LOL!

My original comments was in response to:
'...just have a look inside the box of your amp etc.You won't find anything
esoteric there :-)...'

That's not entirely true. Many mid to hi end manufacturers use loads of
esoteric stuff inside too.



"Phil" wrote in message
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`
Don't know anything about wiring or electronics, but do know something
about jewelry. Silver solder, to me, means blowtorches and brazing
temperatures ie red-hot metal. What does it mean in this context?
Nick

In this context, it usually means ordinary solder with 2% silver added so
as
not to leach silver from the connection.

Norm Strong