Karl Uppiano wrote:
Is someone ticked off because real science refutes marketing BS?

Other way round. We're disgusted with Arny Krueger for making up BS out
of personal malice and then refusing to prove his statements.

The motive for Krueger's malice to me is that I have before proven that
he doesn't honour the scientific method -- indeed that Krueger proceeds
from wishful thinking like some pimply teenager with his dick in his
hand. Apparently Krueger is still ****ed off that I made him a project
for grad students studying the misuse of science by inadequates on the
net, and published the unflattering results. He has also crossed my
path a few other times and each time ended up with fertilizer on his
face when I exposed his pretensions as just that, pretensions.

Here is one statement Krueger made that contains several lies which he
refuses to prove or apologize for.

******
Arny "I spoke in error" Krueger once more spoke in error:

No, the issue is whether the kind of gratuitous capacitor upgrades that
self-aggrandizing snake oil artists like Jute proclaim, are actually
sonically effective.

Yo, Krueger, you're a liar.

Show one instance where I "proclaimed" or even suggested a capacitor
upgrade. If you can't, you're a liar.

Show one instance where I "proclaimed" or even suggested a "gratuitous"

capacitor alteration of any kind. If you can't, you're a liar.

You're such a disgusting little man, Arny Krueger, in every sense of
the word, that your lies hardly adds to the contempt in which we
already hold you.

Andre Jute
The trouble with most people is not what they don't know, but what they
know for certain that isn't true. ---Mark Twain

It just struck me as weird that it was cross-posted across the universe, out
of a clear blue sky. That much animosity is usually reserved for religious
or political enemies... or where money is involved.

Karl Uppiano said:

It just struck me as weird that it was cross-posted across the universe, out
of a clear blue sky. That much animosity is usually reserved for religious
or political enemies... or where money is involved.

Aren't you the moron who just leaped to defend the Krooborg as a holy
warrior for "science" in an epic battle against "marketing"?

One day you'll learn two facts: First, marketing is intended to SELL STUFF,
not advance mankind's scientific knowledge; and second, Arnii Krooborg is a
gigantic turd who's mentally ill and a compulsive liar of epic proportions.
Until you learn those two facts, you should keep your trap shut on both
subjects.






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Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Karl Uppiano said:

It just struck me as weird that it was cross-posted across the universe,
out
of a clear blue sky. That much animosity is usually reserved for
religious
or political enemies... or where money is involved.

Aren't you the moron who just leaped to defend the Krooborg as a holy
warrior for "science" in an epic battle against "marketing"?

I think you read an awful lot into my post if that's what you took away from
it. But perhaps I am too much of a moron to recognize my own strength.

One day you'll learn two facts: First, marketing is intended to SELL
STUFF,
not advance mankind's scientific knowledge; and second, Arnii Krooborg is
a
gigantic turd who's mentally ill and a compulsive liar of epic
proportions.
Until you learn those two facts, you should keep your trap shut on both
subjects.

Marketing is intended to sell stuff, yes. Not advance mankind's scientific
knowledge, absolutely. No danger of that, no sir.

But when someone makes stupid marketing claims, and someone scientifically
debunks said claims to save a few unsuspecting souls from wasting their
money, the gloves certainly come off, don't they?

As for your opinion of Mr. Krueger, I have not seen any evidence of that, at
least on the rec.audio.tech NG. I do not always agree with him, but I have
not developed the vitriol that you seem to have.

As for keeping my trap shut on a public NG, thank you for that advice. I'll
give it exactly the amount of consideration it deserves. Sorry I bumped your
nerve, mister.

Karl Uppiano wrote:

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote

One day you'll learn two facts: First, marketing is intended to SELL
STUFF,
not advance mankind's scientific knowledge; and second, Arnii Krooborg is
a gigantic turd who's mentally ill and a compulsive liar of epic
proportions. Until you learn those two facts, you should keep your trap shut

on both subjects.

Marketing is intended to sell stuff, yes. Not advance mankind's scientific
knowledge, absolutely. No danger of that, no sir.

But when someone makes stupid marketing claims, and someone scientifically
debunks said claims to save a few unsuspecting souls from wasting their
money, the gloves certainly come off, don't they?

I don't for example see ppl running to the defence of the marketers of 'gas
pills' to extend your mileage or turn water into fuel for example.

Why some defence should be extended to the purveyors of exotic capacitors and
cables for example puzzles me.

Graham

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 05:23:15 GMT, "Karl Uppiano"
wrote:

Sorry I bumped your nerve, mister.

You didn't bump George's nerve. He was actually being pleasant.

Try praising Arny as a man of courage and sincerity and see what you
get.

But don't say I didn't warn you. :-)

Poopie turns a blind eye to reality.

One day you'll learn two facts: First, marketing is intended to SELL
STUFF, not advance mankind's scientific knowledge; and second, Arnii Krooborg is
a gigantic turd who's mentally ill and a compulsive liar of epic
proportions. Until you learn those two facts, you should keep your trap shut
on both subjects.

I don't for example see ppl running to the defence of the marketers of 'gas
pills' to extend your mileage or turn water into fuel for example.

Where and how are those items being marketed, Poopie? I haven't seen any
mention of them in the media I'm exposed to.

Why some defence should be extended to the purveyors of exotic capacitors and
cables for example puzzles me.

You're implying that marketing is a crime. Dear, dear -- another holy
warrior to join the 'borgs in their crusade.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

paul packer said:

Try praising Arny as a man of courage and sincerity and see what you get.

Booby Wumpkins was the last one to do that. Eventually, when the reality of
what Krooger is overwhelmed him, he was so ashamed that he disappeared from
Usenet forever.




--

Krooscience: The antidote to education, experience, and excellence.

"George M. Middius" wrote:

Poopie turns a blind eye to reality.

One day you'll learn two facts: First, marketing is intended to SELL
STUFF, not advance mankind's scientific knowledge; and second, Arnii
Krooborg is
a gigantic turd who's mentally ill and a compulsive liar of epic
proportions. Until you learn those two facts, you should keep your trap shut
on both subjects.

I don't for example see ppl running to the defence of the marketers of 'gas
pills' to extend your mileage or turn water into fuel for example.

Where and how are those items being marketed, Poopie? I haven't seen any
mention of them in the media I'm exposed to.

There's plenty of spam relating to them in the auto and energy groups for sure.


Why some defence should be extended to the purveyors of exotic capacitors and
cables for example puzzles me.

You're implying that marketing is a crime. Dear, dear -- another holy
warrior to join the 'borgs in their crusade.

You entirely misunderstood me.

We *need* marketing ppl but we shouldn't let their desire for a killer USP get out of
hand. Some honesty comes in useful too.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:
Karl Uppiano wrote:

"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote

One day you'll learn two facts: First, marketing is intended to SELL
STUFF,
not advance mankind's scientific knowledge; and second, Arnii Krooborg is
a gigantic turd who's mentally ill and a compulsive liar of epic
proportions. Until you learn those two facts, you should keep your trap shut

on both subjects.

Marketing is intended to sell stuff, yes. Not advance mankind's scientific
knowledge, absolutely. No danger of that, no sir.

But when someone makes stupid marketing claims, and someone scientifically
debunks said claims to save a few unsuspecting souls from wasting their
money, the gloves certainly come off, don't they?

I don't for example see ppl running to the defence of the marketers of 'gas
pills' to extend your mileage or turn water into fuel for example.

Why some defence should be extended to the purveyors of exotic capacitors and
cables for example puzzles me.

Graham

+++++++++++++++++++++++
I'll try (without too much hope) to reexplain.
It is fairly simple to design an experiment to confirm or falsify the
use of "gas-pills" to extend the life of gas in your gas-tank.

It is next to impossible to design an experiment to confirm or falsify
the listening experiences of millions of listeners.

That your college textbook of your college year has no equations for
that effect is neither here nor there. Except for those like you who
convert the temporary and inapplicable into an article of faith. A
faith just as far beyond science as the belief in in green felt pens
for improving cds.

One day perhaps even the more primitive kind of engineer will stop
laying down the law about things far outside of his trainiong and
experience
Ludovic Mirabel.