"AZ Nomad" wrote in message

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:08:13 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:



You could attenuate the speaker outputs and feed those
into the sound card.

Why do people insist on giving advice for tricks they've
never personally tried?

OK, deal with this. I've hooked line inputs to speaker outs many times,
with and without attenuators depending on the amplifier power levels
involved. It simply works.

The car radio guys even have products, IOW built-up commercial attenuators,
for this purpose. So do the guitarists.

Your idea won't work.

It works like a champ, every time.

Unless getting the sound of a three
year old doing razzberies is what you're looking for.

That is closer to what you will get with mics picking up speakers.

Even a microphone
suspended near the speaker would be an improvement over
your idea.

Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics and speakers, using a
mic to pick up a speaker can be other than a total disaster.

Not ideal, but it would work. If you're not up to making
such things

I'm not making this up. I've been recording since 1954, and started out
putting mics in front of speakers. In fact there's a funny story about a
friend of mine way back then who made a brief electrical fire by hooking the
line input of a tape recorder to the speaker of an AC/DC tubed radio of the
day. Now that was stupid. Let's hear it for fuses!

a decent car audio place will sell them. Designed to
feed an external amp off the speaker outputs of the head
unit.

No ****. This is the only solution if you need to get
from a speaker level signal to a line level input. You must attenuate
the signal somehow.

Only if it is grossly too big. Also, some speaker outputs have a relatively
big DC voltage on them, so blocking caps are a good idea.

It's funny - people will get very concerned about hooking a line input up to
a speaker output that only puts out a few volts, but not worry about hooking
a line input up to a tape or main output of a tubed preamp that might swing
20 or 30 volts RMS.

"Arny Krueger" wrote


Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics and speakers, using
a mic to pick up a speaker can be other than a total disaster.



I don't think these are so bad:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20B.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20C.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20D.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20E.mp3


Do you....???

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics
and speakers, using a mic to pick up a speaker can be
other than a total disaster.


I don't think these are so bad:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20B.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20C.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20D.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20E.mp3


Do you....???


Last time I looked, the speakers and mics involved were non-trivial.

Now check out the Kenwood UD-505. One-box mini system.

And, what sort of mic is likely to be used to pick it up?

A DPA measurement mic @ $1800?

Even a nice cheap mic from Rode or even MXL?

I don't think so... ;-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics
and speakers, using a mic to pick up a speaker can be
other than a total disaster.


I don't think these are so bad:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20B.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20C.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20D.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Track%20E.mp3


Do you....???


Last time I looked, the speakers and mics involved were non-trivial.

Now check out the Kenwood UD-505. One-box mini system.

And, what sort of mic is likely to be used to pick it up?

A DPA measurement mic @ $1800?

Even a nice cheap mic from Rode or even MXL?

I don't think so... ;-)


???

Nope, I'm sorry, I didn't get a word of that...!! ??

Now, if you want 'mic over speakers', see these:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Needle.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Needle2.JPG


and play these:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Yellosite.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Yellosite2.mp3

(Either one will do...)


That is me visiting the Yello website...

http://www.yello.com/

.....and playing silly buggers with the sounds on it (mouse clicks and
rollovers) and recording the sound from speakers (Needles) with the single
USB microphone
(all as in the pic).

Of course it sounds like in a toilet, but listen *through* that and hear the
bass from the piddly little drivers, if nothing else!! (Mouse clicks can
also be heard, here and there...)

:-)

Arny Krueger wrote:

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message


Even a microphone
suspended near the speaker would be an improvement over
your idea.


Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics and speakers, using a
mic to pick up a speaker can be other than a total disaster.

Iain Churches claimed some good results in transcribing old 78s
using a microphone in front of a gramophone horn so the idea is
not entirely without merit.

--
Eiron.

"Eiron" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:

"AZ Nomad" wrote in
message


Even a microphone
suspended near the speaker would be an improvement over
your idea.


Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics
and speakers, using a mic to pick up a speaker can be
other than a total disaster.

Iain Churches claimed some good results in transcribing
old 78s using a microphone in front of a gramophone horn
so the idea is not entirely without merit.

IME, Churches has lot of nutty ideas.

True professionals don't go that route with 78s, or even wax cylinders.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:11:19 +0100, Eiron wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message


Even a microphone
suspended near the speaker would be an improvement over
your idea.


Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics and speakers, using a
mic to pick up a speaker can be other than a total disaster.

Iain Churches claimed some good results in transcribing old 78s
using a microphone in front of a gramophone horn so the idea is
not entirely without merit.

There's good and there's good. Good enough to transcribe a 78 wouldn't
come close to even the cheapest and nastiest bit of vinyl.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

In article ,
Eiron wrote:
Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics and speakers,
using a mic to pick up a speaker can be other than a total disaster.

Iain Churches claimed some good results in transcribing old 78s
using a microphone in front of a gramophone horn so the idea is
not entirely without merit.

You've not got much option if you want a true acoustic sound. Don't think
they do mechanical DIs...

--
*If I worked as much as others, I would do as little as they *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:11:19 +0100, Eiron wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message


Even a microphone
suspended near the speaker would be an improvement over
your idea.


Nope. It's true that if you have some really good mics and speakers, using a
mic to pick up a speaker can be other than a total disaster.

Iain Churches claimed some good results in transcribing old 78s
using a microphone in front of a gramophone horn so the idea is
not entirely without merit.

Bit of a non sequitur there I think!

Nimbus have done this at some time, and there are credible
justifications for doing this for acoustic recordings. There aren't
any such for recent electric ones.

Bill