Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html

Jeeeesh!

I own a Nav 400 and love it.

On Sep 6, 4:57 pm, Woot wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:
Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

Jeeeesh!

I own a Nav 400 and love it.

There's nothing on the Trek archive about the Navigator L700 "Smover"
though here and there on the net one can find traces of Trek
announcing it, sometimes as the L800. Trek still does catalogue an
L700 but it a Nexus manual bike, nothing electronic. It doesn't even
share the frame of the L700 "Smover", which is common with the L300
(marginally longer top tube).

Nice to hear from another cyclist, Woot.

Andre Jute
Impedance is futile, you will be simulated into the triode of the
Borg. -- Robert Casey

On Sep 6, 6:27 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

My point about arrogance while amusing is fully made. Thank you, Mr.
Jute. Mr. Krueger take note... this is how it is done. Not by tiresome
blathering as is your process.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
Kutztown Space 338

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

There is a hill here about a km long, and about 7% slope,
and when descending it one must use the brakes all the way down for
safety reasons.
But at the bottom the rims of my road bike have not heated, not even on
a hot day.

I have 3 bikes, all with reliable old steel frames and they all weigh
about 11kg, but I'm 78Kg now, and I have no trouble riding 90k across
town and back....
And during this winter I only rode the bike which has ONE gear, a 44t
front cog, 18t rear cog,
giving a 68inch gear. I was using 72" for awhile, but that proved too
hard into headwinds when riding
up some hills. I am rebuilding one bike with new fangled index gearing
which will allow me the luxury of riding up some very steep hills here
again.

Patrick Turner.



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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Sep 6, 7:27 pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

--
Pearce Consultinghttp://www.pearce.uk.com

Those brakes aren't dodgy, Don, they're hyper-competent; what I forgot
to add is that they have a built-in modulator. They stop the one-
eighth of a ton of me and the bike and light touring gear from thirty
kph in 11 feet. I know, because I chewed up a pair of tyres while I
practiced that one to perfection. But I agree with you, for casual use
those roller brakes are overkill.

However, you missed the point of the chain guard and the roller
brakes: it isn't just that the brakes are better, and the chain guard
civilized; what matters is that the totally enclosed brakes and the
totally enclosed chain guard make it an allweather bike -- or that
they are put on there because the specification is for an all-weather
bike. Unlike rim brakes, roller brakes are immune to rain.

Of course, a bike like that, in its primary market, The Netherlands,
is intended and taken into one's family as a permanent fixtu it is
not supposed to wear out. Rim brakes in the sort of daily commuter use
a Dutch city bike gets will wear out a pair of rims every second
year, a dangerous business because it isn't always possible to tell
when the rim is worn so thin by the brake blocks that it collapses the
next time you hit a bump in the road.

Finally, rim blocks are dirty and throw off black stuff, not much chop
on a daily commuter bike (which is what my Trek "Smover" pretends to
be whenever the designers glance at the marketing brief).

So, you see, my Smover's specification is quite consistent with the
bike's supposed purpose, and even more so after I patched up overly
sporting ergonomics. I bet your 3400 was sold to you as a "leisure"
bike. I don't suppose either of us uses a bike as heavily as your
median Dutch officeworker.

Andre Jute
Impedance is futile, you will be simulated into the triode of the
Borg. -- Robert Casey

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:09:24 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

On Sep 6, 7:27 pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

--
Pearce Consultinghttp://www.pearce.uk.com

Those brakes aren't dodgy, Don, they're hyper-competent; what I forgot
to add is that they have a built-in modulator. They stop the one-
eighth of a ton of me and the bike and light touring gear from thirty
kph in 11 feet. I know, because I chewed up a pair of tyres while I
practiced that one to perfection. But I agree with you, for casual use
those roller brakes are overkill.


I'm a great fan of "keep it simple" for things like bikes. All those
features add weight and complication; and of course if they decide to
bust when you are out on the road, you are pushing.

However, you missed the point of the chain guard and the roller
brakes: it isn't just that the brakes are better, and the chain guard
civilized; what matters is that the totally enclosed brakes and the
totally enclosed chain guard make it an allweather bike -- or that
they are put on there because the specification is for an all-weather
bike. Unlike rim brakes, roller brakes are immune to rain.

There ain't no such thing as an all-weather bike. As far as I am
concerned my bike is a single-weather convenience. As soon as the wet
stuff starts, I'm back in my car.

But then I'm not a cyclist - I ride a bike.

Of course, a bike like that, in its primary market, The Netherlands,
is intended and taken into one's family as a permanent fixtu it is
not supposed to wear out. Rim brakes in the sort of daily commuter use
a Dutch city bike gets will wear out a pair of rims every second
year, a dangerous business because it isn't always possible to tell
when the rim is worn so thin by the brake blocks that it collapses the
next time you hit a bump in the road.


I'm well acquainted with bikes in the Netherlands, having ridden them
for many, many miles there. The average dutch bike appears to be
identical to those I remember from my childhood in the fifties. Hefty
frame and generally Victorian engineering.

Finally, rim blocks are dirty and throw off black stuff, not much chop
on a daily commuter bike (which is what my Trek "Smover" pretends to
be whenever the designers glance at the marketing brief).

So, you see, my Smover's specification is quite consistent with the
bike's supposed purpose, and even more so after I patched up overly
sporting ergonomics. I bet your 3400 was sold to you as a "leisure"
bike. I don't suppose either of us uses a bike as heavily as your
median Dutch officeworker.

I got my bike one January morning when I was feeling decidedly
post-chrismas and was on my way to the local gym to enrol. I walked
past the bike shop where a sale was on, and thought "hang on, this is
a much better idea than a stupid gym". So I walked in and had a chat
with the chap about what kind of uses I would be putting the bike to
around London - ending up with this one, and it has been perfect.

I rode it straight home up the hill to Hampstead, and arrive seeing
spots, and with tunnel vision. I've ridden it pretty much daily since
- always because I need to get somewhere, and I can now negotiate all
of Hampstead's hills without even raising a sweat.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:04:50 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

There is a hill here about a km long, and about 7% slope,
and when descending it one must use the brakes all the way down for
safety reasons.
But at the bottom the rims of my road bike have not heated, not even on
a hot day.


I live up a hill exactly like that. I have never stopped at the bottom
to check the temperature of the rims, but the brakes are always still
stopping me without problems.

I have 3 bikes, all with reliable old steel frames and they all weigh
about 11kg, but I'm 78Kg now, and I have no trouble riding 90k across
town and back....
And during this winter I only rode the bike which has ONE gear, a 44t
front cog, 18t rear cog,
giving a 68inch gear. I was using 72" for awhile, but that proved too
hard into headwinds when riding
up some hills. I am rebuilding one bike with new fangled index gearing
which will allow me the luxury of riding up some very steep hills here
again.

Patrick Turner.

I know about bikes like that. When I was at school I was a rower.
Every time we arrived at the boathouse, we would have to build a bike
for our coach to ride along the towpath. There was a huge pile of
scrap wheels and frames round the back, and in ten minutes we could
mix and match something rideable out of it all.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:04:50 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

There is a hill here about a km long, and about 7% slope,
and when descending it one must use the brakes all the way down for
safety reasons.
But at the bottom the rims of my road bike have not heated, not even on
a hot day.


I live up a hill exactly like that. I have never stopped at the bottom
to check the temperature of the rims, but the brakes are always still
stopping me without problems.

I have 3 bikes, all with reliable old steel frames and they all weigh
about 11kg, but I'm 78Kg now, and I have no trouble riding 90k across
town and back....
And during this winter I only rode the bike which has ONE gear, a 44t
front cog, 18t rear cog,
giving a 68inch gear. I was using 72" for awhile, but that proved too
hard into headwinds when riding
up some hills. I am rebuilding one bike with new fangled index gearing
which will allow me the luxury of riding up some very steep hills here
again.

Patrick Turner.

I know about bikes like that. When I was at school I was a rower.
Every time we arrived at the boathouse, we would have to build a bike
for our coach to ride along the towpath. There was a huge pile of
scrap wheels and frames round the back, and in ten minutes we could
mix and match something rideable out of it all.

Mine isn't as bad as that. I am moving to 32 spokes per wheel with
D-rims,
the old 36 spokers with flat section Mavics had done around 50,000km and
began to crack
with fatigue....

I have worn out so much bicycle gear after pedling an estimated
110,000km...

I cycled much further than i drove last year.

The steepest and worst arsole of a hill here is 3km long, averaging 8%,
and I don't ride it much,Fitz's Hill,
its 60km away just to get to it. But there's another ******* of a hill
seen at

http://www.images.act.gov.au/duslibrary/imagesact.nsf/view/3300800B698256C94A256D8D001C1077/$File/005119.JPG

This is about 2km, and 7%, and a bit of traffic uses the narrow winding
road to the top.
There is a nice view over my town though.
I used to do this on 48 x 18, but 15 years have passed, and maybe I need
a 48 x 23.

As you loose teeth as you age, you must put them onto the rear
cluster....

I hope to be fit enough to do Fitz'z Challenge in November,
http://www.pedalpower.org.au/events/...IntContId=1207
this time its the 20th ride, and I was in the first couple a long time
ago.
Last time I did it pretty fast at 40, and rode the whole lot alone, and
not many were in it, but if I can finish it at all at 60
I will be pleased. Many people ride this now, so I should have
company.

Patrick Turner.





d

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