Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models? Looks
like a good and smart idea but will it work properly. Don't wish all the
wires and speakers of normal 5.1 surround, medium living room 5 x 4 metres.
Would this be ok?

TIA.....

Richie

Richie wrote:

Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models?

What's a 'sound bar' ?

Graham

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Eeyore wrote:

Richie wrote:

Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models?

What's a 'sound bar' ?

It's a home theater speaker system, 'single-speaker surround,' that
simulates surround from a single enclosure (sometimes plus a sub) that
can sit on the television.

http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/07/09/den...round_bar.html

Stephen

They might well give a pleasing effect, but accurate they won't be!!!
Surround sound is mastered with the assumption of reproduction through 5
'speakers, in a circle around the listener, with 90 degrees between the Lf
and Rf and 110 degrees between the surrounds, and a centre channel
obviously directly in front. Any other arrangement will result in inaccurate
placement. Consequently, a "surround" system that has all the loudspeakers
in front, whatever the DSP that drives them, will not provide accurate
surround. As I said, the effect may well be pleasant, but it won't be
accurate.

S.



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Richie wrote:

Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models? Looks
like a good and smart idea but will it work properly. Don't wish all the
wires and speakers of normal 5.1 surround, medium living room 5 x 4 metres.
Would this be ok?

For the life of me I can't imagine why you'd want surround sound in a room that
small. I find even a wide stereo for TV etc distracting.

Graham

"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Richie wrote:

Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models? Looks
like a good and smart idea but will it work properly. Don't wish all
the
wires and speakers of normal 5.1 surround, medium living room 5 x 4
metres.
Would this be ok?

For the life of me I can't imagine why you'd want surround sound in a room
that
small. I find even a wide stereo for TV etc distracting.

Graham


No, no, no. The room size is irrelevant. The "sound bars" work on
psychoacoustics. An inexactive science at present, but keep an open mind -
and ears. The Sunday Times reviewed several of the offerings in the market
a couple of weeks ago - can't remember what they recommended, but it came
down to some work, some don't.

Small rooms? Working on that right now.

G

Geoff Mackenzie wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Richie wrote:

Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models? Looks
like a good and smart idea but will it work properly. Don't wish all
the wires and speakers of normal 5.1 surround, medium living room 5 x 4
metres.
Would this be ok?

For the life of me I can't imagine why you'd want surround sound in a room
that small. I find even a wide stereo for TV etc distracting.


No, no, no. The room size is irrelevant.

Not in my opinion. A smallish room has its own very prominent acoustic
environment that your hearing naturally interprets.


The "sound bars" work on
psychoacoustics. An inexactive science at present, but keep an open mind -
and ears. The Sunday Times reviewed several of the offerings in the market
a couple of weeks ago - can't remember what they recommended, but it came
down to some work, some don't.

Small rooms? Working on that right now.

I just don't see the point.

Graham

"Serge Auckland" wrote

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They might well give a pleasing effect, but accurate they won't be!!!
Surround sound is mastered with the assumption of reproduction through
5 'speakers, in a circle around the listener, with 90 degrees between
the Lf and Rf and 110 degrees between the surrounds, and a centre
channel obviously directly in front. Any other arrangement will result
in inaccurate placement. Consequently, a "surround" system that has
all the loudspeakers in front, whatever the DSP that drives them, will
not provide accurate surround. As I said, the effect may well be
pleasant, but it won't be accurate.


This 'accurate vs. pleasant' thing never really goes away in here!

To me it's rather obvious - mostly a manufacturer or designer should
strive to achieve as much accuracy as he can, although some* will
'design in' a specific effect or try to create something of a 'house
sound', but when it's in the hands of a consumer (or 'end user') then,
IMO, personal preference should really take over and almost *anything
goes* - according to the individual's personal tastes.

FWIW, I have spent a fair part of the last few months giving 'blameless
audio' (Technics SS and IMFs) a fair crack of the whip again - to
reinvestigate my own preferences. Only the other night I was delighted
(and relieved I suppose) to find that my usial 'triode & horns' setup
(with vinyl, of course) is without doubt my audio *home* and kit I have
had for a few years now (mostly) was an almost *surprisingly* thrilling
and exciting experience, compared to the 'blameless' stuff!!

Accuracy? It seems I don't need it it - not over a *pleasurable*
listening experience, at any rate!


*Actually, I believe they'll throw you in any amount of Tone Controls,
Slope Controls, Xtra Bass buttons, DSP 'effects' and Gawd knows what
else, if you ask them nicely and they think it'll help sell a bit more
kit!!

Richie wrote:
Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models?

I bought a Yamaha YSP 800 for the reasons you gave.

It works well enough but not as well as a five speaker system would.

You need to place the TV centrally and not in a corner for the effects
to work and for some this will not be possible.

So, if like me this was the best you could do and a five speaker system
was out, go for it but do consider room layout possibilities first.

Regards

David

Eeyore wrote:

Richie wrote:

Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models? Looks
like a good and smart idea but will it work properly. Don't wish all the
wires and speakers of normal 5.1 surround, medium living room 5 x 4 metres.
Would this be ok?

For the life of me I can't imagine why you'd want surround sound in a room that
small. I find even a wide stereo for TV etc distracting.

Graham


I found it worked just fine in a similar sized room, and added a nice
layer of atmosphere to some DVDs. Not fine enough for me to keep it that
way I hasten to add - too much wiring mess.

"Richie" wrote in message
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Has anybody any info on sound bars particularly the Denon models? Looks
like a good and smart idea but will it work properly. Don't wish all the
wires and speakers of normal 5.1 surround, medium living room 5 x 4
metres.
Would this be ok?

Through an unusual set of circumstances, I ended up being the owner of the
Niro Reference system:

http://www.avguide.com/products/prod...Freview%3D1823

Trust me, I didn't loose my mind and pay even a tiny fraction of the list
price for it. ;-)

I have it set up in my second floor enclosed front porch, which is off the
master bedroom suite.

The porch is about 12 x 12 x 9. More than 50% of the wall space is glass
(sort of overlooks Lake St Clair off about a mile and a half). There is a
large opening into the far larger sleeping area. The floor is resilient
tile, while the walls and ceiling are drywall. It is furnished with two Ikea
bentwood lounge chairs and a small wooden table.

Right now, the sound of the system is dominated by the horrid acoustics of
the room. The room is so reverberant that piling some dirty clothes on the
floor actually reduced the excess reverberation a bit.

The Niro Reference can get to be amazingly loud. It sounds better in the
next room, which has a king bed and therefore is quite a bit less
reveberent. I hope to get some acoustic treatments in place, and I'll report
back when I do.