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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote


a tidy up


**You are, of course, incorrect. That won't stop you from lying and
misrepresenting my position, nor my words in the future, however. You've
made it into something of an art form. You are a lying piece of ****.


Iain needs to gauge better how to play you without breaking the line....

**Not lying would be an excellent start. An ability he clearly lacks.

Trevor Wilson

Building my own valve amp
 

"mick" wrote in message
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On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:54:21 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

snip

**How will he know what to build, unless he can listen to it? Valve amps
mostly sound different to each other. Their sound is largely
differentiated by the topolgy, the output transformers and the valves
used. Without a good listen to the amps, it is a total crap shoot. MUCH
better to listen to several amps and make a choice from those.

snip


Keith was quite right though; it's almost impossible to find a dealer in
the UK that has *any* valve amps to listen to, never mind several to
compare. It just isn't feasible to hear quality valve sound without
building your own unless you have access to just a few of the top-line
dealers - who have no interest at all in giving you any tech information
whatever as they want the lucrative maintenance contract on the gear.

**Here's a thought: If you can't hear it, don't buy it.

To carry on from that thought: If a promoter of a product wishes to make a
profit, he/she needs to sell that product. If selling that product requires
some kind of demonstration, then the promoter will make that demonstration
available.

It's not that difficult. It's how things have worked in the retail business
for millennia. Except, apparently, in the UK.

Trevor Wilson

Building my own valve amp
 

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote


a tidy up


**You are, of course, incorrect. That won't stop you from lying and
misrepresenting my position, nor my words in the future, however.
You've made it into something of an art form. You are a lying piece
of ****.


Iain needs to gauge better how to play you without breaking the
line....

**Not lying would be an excellent start. An ability he clearly lacks.


And you need to gauge better the company here - I don't think there's a
single regular here that bothers to post *lies*, Trevor...

(I though all that 'lying POS' claptrap had gone South with Pinky...??)

Building my own valve amp
 

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"mick" wrote in message
.uk...
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:54:21 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

snip

**How will he know what to build, unless he can listen to it? Valve
amps
mostly sound different to each other. Their sound is largely
differentiated by the topolgy, the output transformers and the
valves
used. Without a good listen to the amps, it is a total crap shoot.
MUCH
better to listen to several amps and make a choice from those.

snip


Keith was quite right though; it's almost impossible to find a dealer
in
the UK that has *any* valve amps to listen to, never mind several to
compare. It just isn't feasible to hear quality valve sound without
building your own unless you have access to just a few of the
top-line
dealers - who have no interest at all in giving you any tech
information
whatever as they want the lucrative maintenance contract on the gear.

**Here's a thought: If you can't hear it, don't buy it.


So you keep saying....



To carry on from that thought: If a promoter of a product wishes to
make a profit, he/she needs to sell that product. If selling that
product requires some kind of demonstration, then the promoter will
make that demonstration available.

It's not that difficult. It's how things have worked in the retail
business for millennia. Except, apparently, in the UK.


Why don't you give Amazon a shout and tell 'em they're doing it all
wrong...??

Building my own valve amp
 

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Would you like me to provide the range of logical and reasoned
facts which prove that SET owners are idiots?

With logic and reason on the one hand, and idiocy on the other, that
might be difficult.

If you design an amp yourself, the result should be predictable, and
so you don't need to listen. I would build a SET because there is no
chance of me sampling one, with attendant suitable speakers, for long
enough to get accustomed to it.


I think that's pretty much why most people build them - they are damn
near impossible to hear, let alone borrow and commercial SETs are/were
far too expensive to buy as an experiment.

(If someone built a SET and didn't like it, they'd stand a good chance
of getting most of the outlay back by selling it - funny thing is, I've
never heard of anyone doing that yet....?? ;-)

Building my own valve amp
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Trevor Wilson" wrote


a tidy up


**You are, of course, incorrect. That won't stop you from lying and
misrepresenting my position, nor my words in the future, however.
You've made it into something of an art form. You are a lying piece of
****.


Iain needs to gauge better how to play you without breaking the line....

**Not lying would be an excellent start. An ability he clearly lacks.


And you need to gauge better the company here - I don't think there's a
single regular here that bothers to post *lies*, Trevor...

**Iain is a liar.


(I though all that 'lying POS' claptrap had gone South with Pinky...??)


**Iain lied to and about Stuart too? Hardly surprising. Iain is incapable of
telling the truth.

Trevor Wilson

Building my own valve amp
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"mick" wrote in message
.uk...
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:54:21 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

snip

**How will he know what to build, unless he can listen to it? Valve
amps
mostly sound different to each other. Their sound is largely
differentiated by the topolgy, the output transformers and the valves
used. Without a good listen to the amps, it is a total crap shoot. MUCH
better to listen to several amps and make a choice from those.

snip


Keith was quite right though; it's almost impossible to find a dealer in
the UK that has *any* valve amps to listen to, never mind several to
compare. It just isn't feasible to hear quality valve sound without
building your own unless you have access to just a few of the top-line
dealers - who have no interest at all in giving you any tech information
whatever as they want the lucrative maintenance contract on the gear.

**Here's a thought: If you can't hear it, don't buy it.


So you keep saying....



To carry on from that thought: If a promoter of a product wishes to make
a profit, he/she needs to sell that product. If selling that product
requires some kind of demonstration, then the promoter will make that
demonstration available.

It's not that difficult. It's how things have worked in the retail
business for millennia. Except, apparently, in the UK.


Why don't you give Amazon a shout and tell 'em they're doing it all
wrong...??

**When I buy a book, I pop into my local library and have a quick read. If I
like it, I buy it. If I want to buy a car, I take it for a test drive. If I
want to live with a woman, I...... Well, you get the idea.

Yep, you guessed it. I make certain she can cook.

Trevor Wilson

Building my own valve amp
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Would you like me to provide the range of logical and reasoned facts
which prove that SET owners are idiots?

With logic and reason on the one hand, and idiocy on the other, that
might be difficult.

If you design an amp yourself, the result should be predictable, and so
you don't need to listen. I would build a SET because there is no chance
of me sampling one, with attendant suitable speakers, for long enough to
get accustomed to it.


I think that's pretty much why most people build them - they are damn near
impossible to hear, let alone borrow and commercial SETs are/were far too
expensive to buy as an experiment.

**Bull****. I've listened to dozens of (commercial) SETs and a number of
home built jobbies. Are you SERIOUSLY telling me that in the UK (population
60 million and 245,000 sq km land area) that it is *that* difficult to
arrange a listen to a SET? Here in Australia (population 20 million and
7,741,000 sq km) it ain't that difficult. I admit that I do live in
Australia's largest city (population 4 million), but that pales by
comparison to London.

I can only reach the following conclusions, based on YOUR comments:
* That most potential SET owners live in rural backwaters and cannot drive
of use public transport (distances in the UK inconsequential).
* That SETs are VERY, VERY rare in the UK.
* That potential SET owners are lazy.
* That purveyors of SET amps have no desire for people to listen before they
buy.


Trevor Wilson

Game, SET and match....
 

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Would you like me to provide the range of logical and reasoned
facts which prove that SET owners are idiots?

With logic and reason on the one hand, and idiocy on the other, that
might be difficult.

If you design an amp yourself, the result should be predictable, and
so you don't need to listen. I would build a SET because there is no
chance of me sampling one, with attendant suitable speakers, for long
enough to get accustomed to it.


The mention of 'suitable speakers' is particularly apposite - for me the
*magic* of SET amplication is best demonstrated when used with horn
speakers (Lowthers, actually) and when you factor in vinyl as the
source, you have the 'Holy Trinity' which (IMO) creates the most
*natural* sound of all.

Try these *miked* tracks (Bez 300B SET, Lowther PM6Cs in Fidelio
cabinets and a fairly ancient recording on vinyl) recorded straight off,
one take and no editing:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/GuessWho_01.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/GuessWho_02.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/GuessWho_03.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/GuessWho_04.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/GuessWho_05.mp3


(Bass is difficult - the speaker's horns are rearwards-firing and I use
the corners of the room for reinforcement, but can't pull the mics too
far back without getting too much *room* into the sound, so the tracks
are not as *bassy* as I hear them!!)

Anyway, they will either give you an idea or they won't - I can do no
more....

Building my own valve amp
 

"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
. uk...
Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Would you like me to provide the range of logical and reasoned
facts which prove that SET owners are idiots?

With logic and reason on the one hand, and idiocy on the other, that
might be difficult.

If you design an amp yourself, the result should be predictable, and
so you don't need to listen. I would build a SET because there is no
chance of me sampling one, with attendant suitable speakers, for
long enough to get accustomed to it.


I think that's pretty much why most people build them - they are damn
near impossible to hear, let alone borrow and commercial SETs
are/were far too expensive to buy as an experiment.

**Bull****.


???

You need to tidy yourself up mister....