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In article , Laurence Payne
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:53:39 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

Just make sure the church has the appropriate licence. YOu need a
special one to play recordings. Check with the CCLA

Oh dear! :-)

Playback of the deceased's favourite music at the funeral is pretty
universal nowadays. I'm sure the church has approached this issue.

In my experience many have not. They will almost certainly have
approached the issue of printing out copyrighted words by obtaining the
CCLA (Church Copyright Licencing Authority) but probably don't realise
that a separate licence is concerned for playing prerecorded music. It's
not a big issue but a church will want to make sure they are doing the
honest thing in such circumstances.


Now, do you recommend I wipe my arse front-to-back or the other way?
:-)

I have no recommendation on that topic.



Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Baggy
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:26:52 GMT, "Comp Piper"
wrote:


"Bernard Hill" wrote in

Just make sure the church has the appropriate licence. YOu
need a
special one to play recordings. Check with the CCLA

What, no license and the CCLA police will come along and
throw him , the church and the family in jail and levy a
fine for millions?

It's just a funeral for God's sake!


I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

It's a very simple thing to organise. One phone call is all it takes.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Baggy
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:26:52 GMT, "Comp Piper"
wrote:


"Bernard Hill" wrote in

Just make sure the church has the appropriate licence. YOu
need a
special one to play recordings. Check with the CCLA

What, no license and the CCLA police will come along and
throw him , the church and the family in jail and levy a
fine for millions?

It's just a funeral for God's sake!


I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

It's a very simple thing to organise. One phone call is all it takes.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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"Bernard Hill" wrote in

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such
crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted
products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a
church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

What do you do for fun?

It's a very simple thing to organise. One phone call is
all it takes.

Why bother? sheesh! roll eyes

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"Bernard Hill" wrote in

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such
crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted
products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a
church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

What do you do for fun?

It's a very simple thing to organise. One phone call is
all it takes.

Why bother? sheesh! roll eyes

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get broadband..............then zip and email

"Jonathan Greaves" wrote in message
...
Any idea how to send a 3.37mb file ?
I got the Highland Cathedral

Good luck
Jonathan

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"Jonathan Greaves" wrote in message
...
Any idea how to send a 3.37mb file ?
I got the Highland Cathedral

Good luck
Jonathan

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:18:44 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:18:44 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

--
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

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In article ,
Comp Piper writes

"Bernard Hill" wrote in

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such
crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted
products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a
church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

What do you do for fun?

Make music. But I don't see the relevance of the question.


It's a very simple thing to organise. One phone call is
all it takes.

Why bother? sheesh! roll eyes

Because it's the right thing to do. That way you are remaining within
the law and contributing to the payment of royalties to the owners of
copyright. Why do you have so much of a problem with this concept?
Especially on a music newsgroup!

Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article ,
Comp Piper writes

"Bernard Hill" wrote in

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such
crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted
products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a
church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

What do you do for fun?

Make music. But I don't see the relevance of the question.


It's a very simple thing to organise. One phone call is
all it takes.

Why bother? sheesh! roll eyes

Because it's the right thing to do. That way you are remaining within
the law and contributing to the payment of royalties to the owners of
copyright. Why do you have so much of a problem with this concept?
Especially on a music newsgroup!

Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Baggy
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:18:44 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

That I think is personal abuse. I am astonished that on a music
newsgroup some visitors are not aware of the importance of copyright
conformance.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Baggy
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:18:44 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

That I think is personal abuse. I am astonished that on a music
newsgroup some visitors are not aware of the importance of copyright
conformance.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Ian Molton
writes
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.


We are literally talking pennies per playing here. And in fact the cost
of the licence is borne by the church so the bereaved are not even aware
of any cost.

But is it robbery when I am paid for my services in playing the organ at
a funeral in my church? Is the undertaker's fee "robbery"?


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Ian Molton
writes
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.


We are literally talking pennies per playing here. And in fact the cost
of the licence is borne by the church so the bereaved are not even aware
of any cost.

But is it robbery when I am paid for my services in playing the organ at
a funeral in my church? Is the undertaker's fee "robbery"?


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Kurt Hamster
writes
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:38:36 +0100, Ian Molton used
to say...

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are talented
artists and not money grubbing oiks.



The copyright in recorded work doesn't usually belong to the artist
concerned, but to the recording company. It depends on the contract of
course.

So they have no power to waive the fee. And we are literally talking
pennies.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article , Kurt Hamster
writes
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:38:36 +0100, Ian Molton used
to say...

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are talented
artists and not money grubbing oiks.



The copyright in recorded work doesn't usually belong to the artist
concerned, but to the recording company. It depends on the contract of
course.

So they have no power to waive the fee. And we are literally talking
pennies.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are talented
artists and not money grubbing oiks.

Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are talented
artists and not money grubbing oiks.

Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

--
*Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:40:07 +0100
Dave Plowman wrote:

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY
that you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the
bereaved blind either.

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are
talented artists and not money grubbing oiks.

Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

I dont think anyone was suggesting that artists be asked to *perform*
for free, It was merely said that most would not object to their work
being played (legally or otherwise) at a funeral.

Unless the artist had some special connection with the deceased or
bereaved, I'd certainly expect to have to pay them.

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:40:07 +0100
Dave Plowman wrote:

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY
that you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the
bereaved blind either.

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are
talented artists and not money grubbing oiks.

Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

I dont think anyone was suggesting that artists be asked to *perform*
for free, It was merely said that most would not object to their work
being played (legally or otherwise) at a funeral.

Unless the artist had some special connection with the deceased or
bereaved, I'd certainly expect to have to pay them.

--
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:38:36 +0100, Ian Molton wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

The whole point is, nobodys playing for profit or making any money
over playing the tune, yet this jerk tells us we should be very
careful or we might get in trouble. Only a gr1 arsehole would post
something like that over a funeral. It's not enough someones loved one
is being laid to rest, but now the family is supposed to worry about
the cops showing up ands arresting them for playing a tune. What a sad
jerkoff he is...

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:38:36 +0100, Ian Molton wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:35:02 GMT
Baggy wrote:

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

Profanity aside, I think that any decent musician would be HAPPY that
you played their work at a funeral, and wouldnt try to rob the bereaved
blind either.

The whole point is, nobodys playing for profit or making any money
over playing the tune, yet this jerk tells us we should be very
careful or we might get in trouble. Only a gr1 arsehole would post
something like that over a funeral. It's not enough someones loved one
is being laid to rest, but now the family is supposed to worry about
the cops showing up ands arresting them for playing a tune. What a sad
jerkoff he is...

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:53:01 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are talented
artists and not money grubbing oiks.

"Money grubbing"?? You mean you think that this guy should let the
bereaved family weasel their way out of paying him 30 cents royalties?
I hope he sues those *******s for his 30 cents, yeah, that'll teach
'em to steal HIS tunes. sarcasm insertion ended

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 01:53:01 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are talented
artists and not money grubbing oiks.

"Money grubbing"?? You mean you think that this guy should let the
bereaved family weasel their way out of paying him 30 cents royalties?
I hope he sues those *******s for his 30 cents, yeah, that'll teach
'em to steal HIS tunes. sarcasm insertion ended

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:40:07 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:



Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

Completely irrelevant to the topic.

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Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

Completely irrelevant to the topic.

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In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are
talented artists and not money grubbing oiks.

Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

I dont think anyone was suggesting that artists be asked to *perform*
for free, It was merely said that most would not object to their work
being played (legally or otherwise) at a funeral.

I can't really see the difference between a funeral and anything else. If
the deceased was poor and those paying for the funeral also, then maybe.
But otherwise things have to be paid for in life or death.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Ian Molton wrote:
The ones I know certainly wouldn't mind. Then again they are
talented artists and not money grubbing oiks.

Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

I dont think anyone was suggesting that artists be asked to *perform*
for free, It was merely said that most would not object to their work
being played (legally or otherwise) at a funeral.

I can't really see the difference between a funeral and anything else. If
the deceased was poor and those paying for the funeral also, then maybe.
But otherwise things have to be paid for in life or death.

--
*Keep honking...I'm reloading.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Baggy wrote:
Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

Completely irrelevant to the topic.

The way a person derives his income isn't to some. I realise you think
that a composer has no rights to his work, but then that's commonplace
these days.

--
*Dance like nobody's watching.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Baggy wrote:
Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

Completely irrelevant to the topic.

The way a person derives his income isn't to some. I realise you think
that a composer has no rights to his work, but then that's commonplace
these days.

--
*Dance like nobody's watching.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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Look you jerkoff, if it looks like an arsehole, and smells like an
arsehole, then it is an an arsehole. You look, smell, and act like an
arsehole. We were talking about funerals, nobody has to pay royalties
to play a tune at a funeral, and only a low-life piece of **** would
question that, or exopect them too.
Arsehole.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:08:10 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

In article , Baggy
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:18:44 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

That I think is personal abuse. I am astonished that on a music
newsgroup some visitors are not aware of the importance of copyright
conformance.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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Look you jerkoff, if it looks like an arsehole, and smells like an
arsehole, then it is an an arsehole. You look, smell, and act like an
arsehole. We were talking about funerals, nobody has to pay royalties
to play a tune at a funeral, and only a low-life piece of **** would
question that, or exopect them too.
Arsehole.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:08:10 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

In article , Baggy
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:18:44 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

That I think is personal abuse. I am astonished that on a music
newsgroup some visitors are not aware of the importance of copyright
conformance.


Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:10:30 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

We are literally talking pennies per playing here.

EXACTLY! It just illustrates what a petty arsehole you are.

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We are literally talking pennies per playing here.

EXACTLY! It just illustrates what a petty arsehole you are.

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Oh great, another petty arsehole.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:03:01 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Baggy wrote:
Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

Completely irrelevant to the topic.

The way a person derives his income isn't to some. I realise you think
that a composer has no rights to his work, but then that's commonplace
these days.

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Oh great, another petty arsehole.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:03:01 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Baggy wrote:
Would you expect the more normal organist to play for free too?

Completely irrelevant to the topic.

The way a person derives his income isn't to some. I realise you think
that a composer has no rights to his work, but then that's commonplace
these days.

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"Bernard Hill" wrote in message
...
In article , Baggy
writes
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 23:18:44 +0100, Bernard Hill
wrote:

I'm with you John. What kind of an idiot would post such crap over a
funeral?

One who earns his sole livelihood by creating copyrighted products, and
who happens to be a member (and, indeed, treasurer) of a church which
takes the law and copyright responsibilities seriously.

In other words, a gr1 arsehole.

That I think is personal abuse. I am astonished that on a music
newsgroup some visitors are not aware of the importance of copyright
conformance.



Whoah! Whoah! Whoah! Enough already!

Lighten up Bernard - you're heading for total meltdown!

My original request (which I now regret since it has resulted in this
acrimony and especially since the tracks requested were, in fact, actually
supplied by my own son and a personal friend) mentioned that 'time was of
the essence'. If it makes you happier, a phone call this morning informs me
that neither my rips or the Amazon disk have turned up this morning and it
looks like they might miss the boat, as they are wanted Monday latest for
the funeral (of a *very* respectable Scottish woman) on Tuesday.

I already explained that a duplicate of an existing CD (but missing - due to
probably been loaned out) has already been purchased for only FOURTEEN QUID+
(not too bad for the sort of disk which can be had for 1.99 at any garage
hereabouts.....) so I don't see how anyone can be accused of trying to rip
the situation off in terms of paying one's dues to the MI as a whole. (Mel
Gibson and John Horner both phoned to express their regrets and said 'go
ahead'....... )

If the church and Funeral Director concerned haven't already taken the
necessary steps to 'legitimise' this sort of thing (given its apparent
prevalence) then it's bloody time they did!

The greedy MI as a whole needs to look to itself pretty smartish. To me the
whole concept of Royalties (especially in this day and age with the
profusion of recording devices and the ease of global distribution via the
'Net) is absolutely ludicrous and is the root of all the current problems.
(Study the Naxos concept for an example of a much better approach to the
sale and distribution of recorded music.)

(ukra and ukrav sunbscribers can a expect a rant about MI greed and its
effect on music generally in the very near future....)

As David Bowie said on the box - an organisation that is looking to sue its
own customers (see above references to Amazon in my case) is heading for
some sort of major disaster....



Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
Selkirk, Scotland


Really? You should know better then! - 'Music software'??? - You're a tiny
part of the whole bloody problem yourself, aren't you?