Keith G wrote:

Get someone to sort your kit out, fit a new needle, clean your records up
and then see if they're muzzy! (Unless they've already been damaged, of
course!) IME, vinyl is easily capable of *shattering clarity*, particularly
on valve kit, compared with the usual *haze* (blurriness, my partner calls
it) you get on digital/SS stuff!

Most of my records are shagged from being played loads in the real world
including being dragged out to performances in my DJ days. I well recall they
weren't that good even when brand new. I vaguely recall having to return some
several times before receiving an acceptable pressing.

CDs are a total joy in comparison.

Graham

Keith G wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Keith G wrote:

In case you are not aware, you can very easily buy a *brand spanking new*
valve amp, record player and LPs to play on them....

I'd rather avoid the distortion of the valves and the sheer inconvenience
of the LPs never mind the scratches, pops, rumble, hiss, sloppy frequency
response etc.

You forgot the *boiled cabbage smell*....

:-)

I never encountered any boiled cabage smell from any of the above. 'Hot' smells
like burning for sure but no cabbage.

Graham

"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Most of my records are shagged from being played loads in the real world
including being dragged out to performances in my DJ days. I well recall
they
weren't that good even when brand new. I vaguely recall having to return
some
several times before receiving an acceptable pressing.

CDs are a total joy in comparison.

I can relate to that.

I got so fed up with returning faulty LPs to the shop back in the late
'70s/early '80s, only to exchange one set of faults for another, that I
vitually gave up buying them and instead recorded live music from FM radio
on my Revox. Despite the problems of trying to get a good signal some 60
miles from Wrotham the resulting tapes were far more of a pleasure to listen
to than most LPs were.

When CDs became available it was a real pleasure to be able to buy recorded
music again. Not only were CDs devoid of clicks, thumps and whooshes, the
basic quality was so much better too. CDs have a clarity to the sound that
beats even the best LPs.

David.

David Looser wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

Most of my records are shagged from being played loads in the real world
including being dragged out to performances in my DJ days. I well recall
they weren't that good even when brand new. I vaguely recall having to
return
some several times before receiving an acceptable pressing.

CDs are a total joy in comparison.

I can relate to that.

I got so fed up with returning faulty LPs to the shop back in the late
'70s/early '80s, only to exchange one set of faults for another, that I
vitually gave up buying them and instead recorded live music from FM radio
on my Revox. Despite the problems of trying to get a good signal some 60
miles from Wrotham the resulting tapes were far more of a pleasure to listen
to than most LPs were.

When CDs became available it was a real pleasure to be able to buy recorded
music again. Not only were CDs devoid of clicks, thumps and whooshes, the
basic quality was so much better too. CDs have a clarity to the sound that
beats even the best LPs.

Absolutely.

I can only imagine LPs being of interest to mostly somewhat deaf people these
days.

Graham

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


David Looser wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

Most of my records are shagged from being played loads in the real
world
including being dragged out to performances in my DJ days. I well
recall
they weren't that good even when brand new. I vaguely recall having to
return
some several times before receiving an acceptable pressing.

CDs are a total joy in comparison.

I can relate to that.

I got so fed up with returning faulty LPs to the shop back in the late
'70s/early '80s, only to exchange one set of faults for another, that I
vitually gave up buying them and instead recorded live music from FM
radio
on my Revox. Despite the problems of trying to get a good signal some 60
miles from Wrotham the resulting tapes were far more of a pleasure to
listen
to than most LPs were.

When CDs became available it was a real pleasure to be able to buy
recorded
music again. Not only were CDs devoid of clicks, thumps and whooshes, the
basic quality was so much better too. CDs have a clarity to the sound
that
beats even the best LPs.

Absolutely.

I can only imagine LPs being of interest to mostly somewhat deaf people
these
days.

Graham

Or, as in my case, as a bit of fun, nostalgia perhaps. The above story of
recording FM was almost exactly my experience, only I used a carefully
calibrated Nakamachi 482Z, rather than a Revox. LPs used to frustrate me
intensely, and CDs were the answer to all my desires (well, some of them
anyway) at the time. Now, almost 25 years later, I'm enjoying LPs again. I
can now put up with the clicks, bangs etc etc because I have a clean
unsullied source (CDs) whenever I want it. I find it an intellectual
challenge to get half-decent sounds from LPs, knowing that when I just want
to listen to music, I have my CDs. Fortunately, my tastes in music (mostly
classical and Jazz) means that I can still buy CDs that haven't been
compressed excessively or clipped. However, I make sure any blues/classic
rock CDs I might buy haven't been remastered since 1995.

I now have four turntables and approach playing LPs in the same spirit as
driving vintage cars, old mechanical wrist watches or fountain pens (of
which I also have several). LPs from Charity Shops and car boot sales also
allow me to discover new music at bargain prices. It's surprising how well
old LPs clean up with a vacuum Record Cleaning Machine.

Some people seem actually to prefer vinyl to CD, I don't, but can still have
fun with my LPs.

S


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Or, as in my case, as a bit of fun, nostalgia perhaps. The above story of
recording FM was almost exactly my experience, only I used a carefully
calibrated Nakamachi 482Z, rather than a Revox. LPs used to frustrate me
intensely, and CDs were the answer to all my desires (well, some of them
anyway) at the time. Now, almost 25 years later, I'm enjoying LPs again. I
can now put up with the clicks, bangs etc etc because I have a clean
unsullied source (CDs) whenever I want it. I find it an intellectual
challenge to get half-decent sounds from LPs, knowing that when I just
want to listen to music, I have my CDs. Fortunately, my tastes in music
(mostly classical and Jazz) means that I can still buy CDs that haven't
been compressed excessively or clipped. However, I make sure any
blues/classic rock CDs I might buy haven't been remastered since 1995.

I now have four turntables and approach playing LPs in the same spirit as
driving vintage cars, old mechanical wrist watches or fountain pens (of
which I also have several). LPs from Charity Shops and car boot sales also
allow me to discover new music at bargain prices. It's surprising how well
old LPs clean up with a vacuum Record Cleaning Machine.

Some people seem actually to prefer vinyl to CD, I don't, but can still
have fun with my LPs.

Like you I am now playing LPs again. It started when my wife threatened to
get rid of my LP collection away since I never played them, so I started
copying some of them to CDR and found that I quite enjoyed doing that,
particularly trying to get rid of as many clicks etc as possible without
damaging the sound. And again like you I like vintage technology, I have a
1950s Bush TV22 in my den which I sometimes fire up so that I can watch TV
in wonderful 405-line monochrome, though I don't try to pretend that it's
better than a modern colour TV!

David.

In article , Serge Auckland
scribeth thus
"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


David Looser wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

Most of my records are shagged from being played loads in the real
world
including being dragged out to performances in my DJ days. I well
recall
they weren't that good even when brand new. I vaguely recall having to
return
some several times before receiving an acceptable pressing.

CDs are a total joy in comparison.

I can relate to that.

I got so fed up with returning faulty LPs to the shop back in the late
'70s/early '80s, only to exchange one set of faults for another, that I
vitually gave up buying them and instead recorded live music from FM
radio
on my Revox. Despite the problems of trying to get a good signal some 60
miles from Wrotham the resulting tapes were far more of a pleasure to
listen
to than most LPs were.

When CDs became available it was a real pleasure to be able to buy
recorded
music again. Not only were CDs devoid of clicks, thumps and whooshes, the
basic quality was so much better too. CDs have a clarity to the sound
that
beats even the best LPs.

Absolutely.

I can only imagine LPs being of interest to mostly somewhat deaf people
these
days.

Graham

Or, as in my case, as a bit of fun, nostalgia perhaps. The above story of
recording FM was almost exactly my experience, only I used a carefully
calibrated Nakamachi 482Z, rather than a Revox. LPs used to frustrate me
intensely, and CDs were the answer to all my desires (well, some of them
anyway) at the time. Now, almost 25 years later, I'm enjoying LPs again. I
can now put up with the clicks, bangs etc etc because I have a clean
unsullied source (CDs) whenever I want it. I find it an intellectual
challenge to get half-decent sounds from LPs, knowing that when I just want
to listen to music, I have my CDs. Fortunately, my tastes in music (mostly
classical and Jazz) means that I can still buy CDs that haven't been
compressed excessively or clipped. However, I make sure any blues/classic
rock CDs I might buy haven't been remastered since 1995.



I now have four turntables

You err... into mixing and R&B and all that fangled stuff;?...

--
Tony Sayer

In article , David Looser
scribeth thus
"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

Or, as in my case, as a bit of fun, nostalgia perhaps. The above story of
recording FM was almost exactly my experience, only I used a carefully
calibrated Nakamachi 482Z, rather than a Revox. LPs used to frustrate me
intensely, and CDs were the answer to all my desires (well, some of them
anyway) at the time. Now, almost 25 years later, I'm enjoying LPs again. I
can now put up with the clicks, bangs etc etc because I have a clean
unsullied source (CDs) whenever I want it. I find it an intellectual
challenge to get half-decent sounds from LPs, knowing that when I just
want to listen to music, I have my CDs. Fortunately, my tastes in music
(mostly classical and Jazz) means that I can still buy CDs that haven't
been compressed excessively or clipped. However, I make sure any
blues/classic rock CDs I might buy haven't been remastered since 1995.

I now have four turntables and approach playing LPs in the same spirit as
driving vintage cars, old mechanical wrist watches or fountain pens (of
which I also have several). LPs from Charity Shops and car boot sales also
allow me to discover new music at bargain prices. It's surprising how well
old LPs clean up with a vacuum Record Cleaning Machine.

Some people seem actually to prefer vinyl to CD, I don't, but can still
have fun with my LPs.

Like you I am now playing LPs again. It started when my wife threatened to
get rid of my LP collection away since I never played them, so I started
copying some of them to CDR and found that I quite enjoyed doing that,
particularly trying to get rid of as many clicks etc as possible without
damaging the sound. And again like you I like vintage technology, I have a
1950s Bush TV22 in my den which I sometimes fire up so that I can watch TV
in wonderful 405-line monochrome, though I don't try to pretend that it's
better than a modern colour TV!

You manage to pick up an old 405 line TX then?.

And standards converter;?...

David.



--
Tony Sayer

I can only imagine LPs being of interest to mostly somewhat deaf people
these
days.


Pardon?

Steve

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Serge Auckland
scribeth thus
"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


David Looser wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote

Most of my records are shagged from being played loads in the real
world
including being dragged out to performances in my DJ days. I well
recall
they weren't that good even when brand new. I vaguely recall having
to
return
some several times before receiving an acceptable pressing.

CDs are a total joy in comparison.

I can relate to that.

I got so fed up with returning faulty LPs to the shop back in the late
'70s/early '80s, only to exchange one set of faults for another, that I
vitually gave up buying them and instead recorded live music from FM
radio
on my Revox. Despite the problems of trying to get a good signal some
60
miles from Wrotham the resulting tapes were far more of a pleasure to
listen
to than most LPs were.

When CDs became available it was a real pleasure to be able to buy
recorded
music again. Not only were CDs devoid of clicks, thumps and whooshes,
the
basic quality was so much better too. CDs have a clarity to the sound
that
beats even the best LPs.

Absolutely.

I can only imagine LPs being of interest to mostly somewhat deaf people
these
days.

Graham

Or, as in my case, as a bit of fun, nostalgia perhaps. The above story of
recording FM was almost exactly my experience, only I used a carefully
calibrated Nakamachi 482Z, rather than a Revox. LPs used to frustrate me
intensely, and CDs were the answer to all my desires (well, some of them
anyway) at the time. Now, almost 25 years later, I'm enjoying LPs again. I
can now put up with the clicks, bangs etc etc because I have a clean
unsullied source (CDs) whenever I want it. I find it an intellectual
challenge to get half-decent sounds from LPs, knowing that when I just
want
to listen to music, I have my CDs. Fortunately, my tastes in music (mostly
classical and Jazz) means that I can still buy CDs that haven't been
compressed excessively or clipped. However, I make sure any blues/classic
rock CDs I might buy haven't been remastered since 1995.



I now have four turntables

You err... into mixing and R&B and all that fangled stuff;?...

--
Tony Sayer

No, and as far as I'm concerned The Who were "Maximum R&B" not these
screaming **** that seem to be what passes for R&B these days.

I just like old turntables. I now have an AEG TRS9000 with Audio Technica
AT33ML cartridge, an EMT 948 with EMT TSD15 vdh cartridge, a GL75 with
Goldring 1042 cartridge, and my christmas present to myself, a Garrard 401
with SME 3009 and Shure V15III with brand new original Micro-Ridge stylus.
There's a story to the 401.... When I went to University in 1968, my mother
promised me a 401. However, as I had a very draughty convertible Hillman
Minx, and she thought a sheepskin coat would make much better use of the
money than a 401, so she bought me that instead. I have to say, that she was
probably right, the coat was a lot warmer than a 401, but then, you can't
play records on a coat, and that was probably more important to me as a
student. It's taken me almost 40 years to get the 401.

I also have a selection of Parker and Conway-Stewart fountain pens and a
number of Roamer and Eterna watches which I'm rather fond of. However, for
everyday writing a Quill ball-point pen does the job and for telling the
time, my Junghans radio-watch is infinitely more accurate than any of the
mechanical watches. Bit like CD really.....

S


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