They were the ones with the shared do to a i think that had phase shift with
rising frequency between channels.
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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then I'll be impressed.
Always wanted to hear one of those.

But the cd 100 and the Marantz were, as far as I know just double
oversampling 14bit d to as, surely we have more accurate chips these days.
My current Marntz is much better than the CD100, its less bright to my
ears, though dynamics sonded more dynamic on the CD100, which may well just
be the difference in tonal balance I guess.
I do have a problem with my current Marantz though, it will sometimes not
find a track, and give up. Then you have to eject the cd and start again.
The old CD100, seemingly will keep trying to find the track start for
ever...

Such dodgy CDs play fine on a Yamada DVD player, sigh...
Brian

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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


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Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged version
of the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206, couldn't say there
was any obvious difference, even though the Meridian was going to my
'speakers SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the Marantz was going through my
A-D converter first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another
transparent product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but even
sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't anything to
choose between them.


Do you mean 'no difference between the transports', as opposed to complete
units including DACs?

Rob

The problem with the transport in these older decks is that they are a bit
like a meter movement, ie have a pivot and the head appears to be driven by
some form of eddir current thingy.. (very techy term) and bits of dirt get
onto the flat surface of this and cause little hicups so it can skip, it
always played better angled slightly forward. Also it had very massive bits
so it could not really respond fast to jogs, and with no memory either no
compensation for loss of tracking.

It did however seemingly have a great party trick where you could drill a
1/16th in hole in a cd and not hear it.

Try this for a current model and it sends it mental.

Brian

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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on
the bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


--
Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged
version of the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206, couldn't
say there was any obvious difference, even though the Meridian was
going to my 'speakers SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the Marantz was
going through my A-D converter first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another
transparent product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but
even sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't
anything to choose between them.


Do you mean 'no difference between the transports', as opposed to
complete units including DACs?

Rob

My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a transport
with a complete unit, redigitised.

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Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they only
have SP-DIF inputs.

S.
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Brian Gaff wrote:
The problem with the transport in these older decks is that they are a bit
like a meter movement, ie have a pivot and the head appears to be driven by
some form of eddir current thingy.. (very techy term) and bits of dirt get
onto the flat surface of this and cause little hicups so it can skip, it
always played better angled slightly forward. Also it had very massive bits
so it could not really respond fast to jogs, and with no memory either no
compensation for loss of tracking.

It did however seemingly have a great party trick where you could drill a
1/16th in hole in a cd and not hear it.

Try this for a current model and it sends it mental.

It didn't last time I tried it. 2mm holes were no problem.
I think the limit is supposed to be 2.3mm.
I must find a crap CD and test it again.

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Serge Auckland wrote:

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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100
the other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on
the bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


--
Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged
version of the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206,
couldn't say there was any obvious difference, even though the
Meridian was going to my 'speakers SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the
Marantz was going through my A-D converter first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another
transparent product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but
even sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't
anything to choose between them.


Do you mean 'no difference between the transports', as opposed to
complete units including DACs?

Rob

My Meridian 206 is being used purely as a transport, feeding SP-DIF
directly into my loudspeakers. The CD63's analogue outputs are going
through an ADC then on to the loudspeakers, so I'm comparing a
transport with a complete unit, redigitised.

S.
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Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they
only have SP-DIF inputs.

S.

Can you not connect the Marantz via analogue, and compare that with your
super sound digital? I don't think you'd expect a difference - never
know though.

Rob

"Eiron" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
The problem with the transport in these older decks is that they are
a bit like a meter movement, ie have a pivot and the head appears to
be driven by some form of eddir current thingy.. (very techy term)
and bits of dirt get onto the flat surface of this and cause little
hicups so it can skip, it always played better angled slightly
forward. Also it had very massive bits so it could not really respond
fast to jogs, and with no memory either no compensation for loss of
tracking.

It did however seemingly have a great party trick where you could
drill a 1/16th in hole in a cd and not hear it.

Try this for a current model and it sends it mental.

It didn't last time I tried it. 2mm holes were no problem.
I think the limit is supposed to be 2.3mm.
I must find a crap CD and test it again.

--
Eiron.




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.... but put a fingerprint on it and..........

Wash it off, with soap and water (try doing that with an LP!)

David.

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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old
Phillips CD100 the other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks,
band a bit on the bright side of comfortable, but it
does still play CDs.
If you've got a Sony CDP-101 in your attic as well then
I'll be impressed. Always wanted to hear one of those.
I have one that still works very well. Even plays CD-Rs
well.

What does it sound like and how does it compare to modern
CD players?

It sounds good enough all by itself. In a close ABX test with certain
program material and speakers you can hear its two most potentially audible
failings:

(1) It uses analog filters whose response gets a little weird and
rolled-off above about 15 KHz.

I can imagine it sounds a bit "shut in".

(2) It has only one DAC that is time shared between the two output channels.
So, particularly if you have a center channel speaker driven by the two
channels summed, there is an additional roll-off above about 12 KHz that is
more audible.

The vast majority of people won't be using a centre speaker, especially
not in the early 80s when they came out.

Does it have a digital out? Surely not.

For casual listening with most speakers and music, its fine.

BTW you should know that a very high proportion of all CDP101s contained
chips that slowly failed and made them mistrack just a little, and then
later mistrack a lot. In the early stages of failure, the tracking problems
are subtle and can sound like all sorts of weird things for different discs
and different people.

I can't say I'm interested in buying one, I'd just like to borrow one
for a few days.

I thought it was the drawer mechanism that packed up due to the grease
drying out. They look like they're built like a tank.

"Rob" wrote in message
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Can you not connect the Marantz via analogue, and compare that with your
super sound digital? I don't think you'd expect a difference - never know
though.


Errr..... isn't that exactly what he said he'd done?

David.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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But the cd 100 and the Marantz were, as far as I know just double
oversampling 14bit d to as, surely we have more accurate chips these days.
My current Marntz is much better than the CD100, its less bright to my
ears, though dynamics sonded more dynamic on the CD100, which may well
just be the difference in tonal balance I guess.
I do have a problem with my current Marantz though, it will sometimes not
find a track, and give up. Then you have to eject the cd and start again.
The old CD100, seemingly will keep trying to find the track start for
ever...

Such dodgy CDs play fine on a Yamada DVD player, sigh...
Brian

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Serge Auckland wrote:

"Eiron" wrote in message
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Brian Gaff wrote:
You know I reached under my bed and found my old Phillips CD100 the
other day. It still works!
A bit touchy to seizmic events, slow to find tracks, band a bit on the
bright side of comfortable, but it does still play CDs.

Be an antique soon I guess. sigh.

Double blind test. You know you want to!


--
Eiron.

I've just been given a Marantz CD63, which was the Marantz-badged
version of the CD100. Compared it to my current Meridian 206, couldn't
say there was any obvious difference, even though the Meridian was going
to my 'speakers SP-DIF to SP-DIF direct, and the Marantz was going
through my A-D converter first.

Just goes to show that if a product is audibly transparent, it's
transparent, and one transparent product will sound like another
transparent product.

If I can be bothered, I may do some level-matched blind testing, but
even sighted and not accurately level matched, there really wasn't
anything to choose between them.


Do you mean 'no difference between the transports', as opposed to
complete units including DACs?

Rob


Although modern CD players may well measure slightly better, even the
earliest players' performance were so far below thresholds of audibility
that they were essentially "perfect". If they were perfect then, any
improvements can't make them audibly any more perfect. That's why I haven't
found any audible improvement in CD players since 1983.

S.
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