Phil Allison wrote:
"Arny Krueger"
"Anton Gÿsen"
What does it sound like and how does it compare to modern
CD players?
It sounds good enough all by itself.


** Sounds good compared to any CD player ever made.


In a close ABX test with certain program material and speakers you can
hear its two most potentially audible failings:


** In fact, they are almost never audible to anyone and in no way
constitute "failings".


(1) It uses analog filters whose response gets a little weird and
rolled-off above about 15 KHz.


** Arny should get an prize for his use of * purple prose* # .

Sony CDP101s have a FLAT response +0 / - 0.5 dB out to the limits of
audibility.


(2) It has only one DAC that is time shared between the two output
channels.


** It has one converter IC, but that IC is internally a stereo DAC.

The inter-channel delay is only 11.3 uS which is equal to 1/8 inch path
difference between ears and speakers. IOW non audible.


So, particularly if you have a center channel speaker driven by the two
channels summed, there is an additional roll-off above about 12 KHz that
is more audible.


** Complete ******** !!

Falsely assumes the machine is playing a MONO disk with L and R channels
*in perfect level and phase match* out to 20 kHz - something only
available from a test CD.



For casual listening with most speakers and music, its fine.

** For the *most serious of listening* with the best available speakers
( ie Quad ESL63s & subsequent models ) it is more than fine.

That is strange because Sony only considered it a medium quality
product, as the name indicates - 101 binary for 5 or 5 out of 10. If you
don't believe it check this link:-

http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-20/h5.html

BTW you should know that a very high proportion of all CDP101s contained
....

** Note Arny's concealed use of the past tense.

The ICs concerned ( dual power op-amps ) all failed in the first year or two
of life - so any CDP101 still working has had them replaced long ago with
another type that simply does not have the problem.


# from Wiki:

" Purple prose is a term of literary criticism used to describe passages, or
sometimes entire literary works, written in prose so overly extravagant,
ornate, or flowery as to break the flow and draw attention to itself. Purple
prose is sensually evocative beyond the requirements of its context. It also
refers to writing that employs certain rhetorical effects such as
exaggerated sentiment or pathos in an attempt to manipulate a reader's
response. "


Arny does never informs - he manipulates.



...... Phil

"keithr" wrote in message
...

That is strange because Sony only considered it a medium quality product,
as the name indicates - 101 binary for 5 or 5 out of 10. If you don't
believe it check this link:-

http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-20/h5.html


Since the CDP 101 was Sony's only CD player at the time, it was by
definition the middle ground.

BTW, what does this logic make the CDP 601?

The average of one sample is the value of the sample.

"Arny Krueger"
"keith ratbag MORON "

Since the CDP 101 was Sony's only CD player at the time, it was by
definition the middle ground.


** That is a new variation on the tired old "middle ground" logical
fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_ground

" Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam, also known as
middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy and the golden mean fallacy)
is a logical fallacy which asserts that a compromise between two positions
is correct. "


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!


BTW, what does this logic make the CDP 601?


** Successive application of a logical fallacy is a direct path to hell.


The average of one sample is the value of the sample.


** Arny is a compewter geek, so he never informs

- he just manipulates the data.



...... Phil

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:05:33 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!

Nonsense. The manufacturer will decide from day 1 of the design
process whether the new model will be a low, middle or high
quality/spec product. And that will happen on the very first product
made. Any manufacturer who doesn't make that choice is a fool who
hasn't researched his market.

d

"Don ****wit Pearce"


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!

Nonsense.


** It is an utterly obvious FACT -

YOU ****WIT POMMY MORON !!!


he manufacturer will decide from day 1 of the design
process whether the new model will be a low, middle or high
quality/spec product.


** Irrelevant to the situation as described -

YOU COLOSSAL ****ING POMMY MORON !!!





...... Phil

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:13:07 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Don ****wit Pearce"


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!

Nonsense.


** It is an utterly obvious FACT -

YOU ****WIT POMMY MORON !!!


he manufacturer will decide from day 1 of the design
process whether the new model will be a low, middle or high
quality/spec product.


** Irrelevant to the situation as described -

YOU COLOSSAL ****ING POMMY MORON !!!





..... Phil


Do you know, my daffodils and crocuses are already out, and the cherry
trees are in bud. I think this is going to be a good year.

d

"Don ****wit Pearce"


** Hey Don,

go out in you back yard and dig a hole about 2m long, 2m deep and 0.7m
wide.

Jump in it and stay there.

Cos YOU are another pommy dead **** who will not lie lown.



....... Phil

In article 49aa5576.22618750@localhost,
Don Pearce wrote:


Do you know, my daffodils and crocuses are already out, and the cherry
trees are in bud. I think this is going to be a good year.

Daffodils[1] and croci here also. :-) Snowdrops are particularly lovely
at the moment. Went to Cambo[2] last week and bought a really beautiful
variety of Snowdrop. Managed to get four plants from the pot and planted
them yesterday. Look wonderful around the small apple tree near our living
room window. The tulips are also growing rapidly. All great to see as a
sign of the seasons changing.

Alas the weatherperson on the radio has threatened more snow midweek, but
I'm hoping it bypasses out part of Scotland as usual. :-)

Looking forwards to may...

Jim

[1] As yet the tiny variety I have has flowered and the larger ones are
still at the stage of forming the flowerheads.

[2] famed in the UK for the large wooded surroundings covered in multiple
varieties of snowdrops at this time of year. Highly recommended if you can
get to Fife.

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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"keithr" wrote in message
...

That is strange because Sony only considered it a medium quality product,
as the name indicates - 101 binary for 5 or 5 out of 10. If you don't
believe it check this link:-

http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-20/h5.html


Since the CDP 101 was Sony's only CD player at the time, it was by
definition the middle ground.

**Not here in Australia. I attended the launch of the CDP101 and CDP701 here
in Sydney back in 1983. I asked the guy if I could hear the 701 through the
excellent Esprit electronics and Sony flat driver speakers. He said: "The
101 and 701 sound the same." I pressed him and he finally, reluctantly
demo'd the 701. The difference was hardly subtle. The 701 was a far better
sounding machine. It's not surprising that Sony did not want to demo the
701, as it would have damaged sales of the 101.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

"Trevor Wilson"
Arny Krueger"

Since the CDP 101 was Sony's only CD player at the time, it was by
definition the middle ground.


** Silly no sequitur.


**Not here in Australia. I attended the launch ...


** TW was completely out to lunch at the time.

As always.



of the CDP101 and CDP701 here in Sydney back in 1983. I asked the guy if I
could hear the 701 through the excellent Esprit electronics and Sony flat
driver speakers. He said: "The 101 and 701 sound the same." I pressed him
and he finally, reluctantly demo'd the 701. The difference was hardly
subtle.


** Yawnnnnnnnnnnn....

TW is a notorious audiophool with a passionate aversion to the CDP101.

Who know why - who cares ....



....... Phil