"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they only
have SP-DIF inputs.


So what you're hearing is the speakers converters.
That dosen't surprise you that each unit sounds alike?
What a numbskull you are.

"Tony" wrote in message
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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they
only have SP-DIF inputs.


So what you're hearing is the speakers converters.
That dosen't surprise you that each unit sounds alike?
What a numbskull you are.

In the case of the Marantz he is *also* listening to the Marantz's DAC and
his ADC.

What a numbskull *you* are.

David.

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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Perhaps I should add my 'speakers are Meridian DSP5000/1500s, so they
only have SP-DIF inputs.


So what you're hearing is the speakers converters.
That dosen't surprise you that each unit sounds alike?
What a numbskull you are.


How do you suggest I'm hearing the 'speakers converters when the quality of
the converters is orders of magnitude better than quality of the drive units
for distortion and flatness of frequency response?

Had you said that I was hearing the limitations of my loudspeakers, you may
have had a point, but then, isn't hat the issue? Electronics, CD players and
the like are essentially transparent, and consequently don't have a sound,
so what you're always hearing is the loudspeakers, and their interaction
with the room.

S.
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Phil Allison wrote:
"Arny Krueger"
"Anton Gÿsen"
What does it sound like and how does it compare to modern
CD players?
It sounds good enough all by itself.


** Sounds good compared to any CD player ever made.


In a close ABX test with certain program material and speakers you can
hear its two most potentially audible failings:


** In fact, they are almost never audible to anyone and in no way
constitute "failings".


(1) It uses analog filters whose response gets a little weird and
rolled-off above about 15 KHz.


** Arny should get an prize for his use of * purple prose* # .

Sony CDP101s have a FLAT response +0 / - 0.5 dB out to the limits of
audibility.


(2) It has only one DAC that is time shared between the two output
channels.


** It has one converter IC, but that IC is internally a stereo DAC.

The inter-channel delay is only 11.3 uS which is equal to 1/8 inch path
difference between ears and speakers. IOW non audible.


So, particularly if you have a center channel speaker driven by the two
channels summed, there is an additional roll-off above about 12 KHz that
is more audible.


** Complete ******** !!

Falsely assumes the machine is playing a MONO disk with L and R channels
*in perfect level and phase match* out to 20 kHz - something only
available from a test CD.



For casual listening with most speakers and music, its fine.

** For the *most serious of listening* with the best available speakers
( ie Quad ESL63s & subsequent models ) it is more than fine.

That is strange because Sony only considered it a medium quality
product, as the name indicates - 101 binary for 5 or 5 out of 10. If you
don't believe it check this link:-

http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-20/h5.html

BTW you should know that a very high proportion of all CDP101s contained
....

** Note Arny's concealed use of the past tense.

The ICs concerned ( dual power op-amps ) all failed in the first year or two
of life - so any CDP101 still working has had them replaced long ago with
another type that simply does not have the problem.


# from Wiki:

" Purple prose is a term of literary criticism used to describe passages, or
sometimes entire literary works, written in prose so overly extravagant,
ornate, or flowery as to break the flow and draw attention to itself. Purple
prose is sensually evocative beyond the requirements of its context. It also
refers to writing that employs certain rhetorical effects such as
exaggerated sentiment or pathos in an attempt to manipulate a reader's
response. "


Arny does never informs - he manipulates.



...... Phil

"keithr" wrote in message
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That is strange because Sony only considered it a medium quality product,
as the name indicates - 101 binary for 5 or 5 out of 10. If you don't
believe it check this link:-

http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-20/h5.html


Since the CDP 101 was Sony's only CD player at the time, it was by
definition the middle ground.

BTW, what does this logic make the CDP 601?

The average of one sample is the value of the sample.

"keith ratbag = utter MORON from HELL "


That is strange because Sony only considered it a medium quality product,

** Absurd CRAPOLOGY.

as the name indicates - 101 binary for 5 or 5 out of 10. If you don't
believe it check this link:-

http://www.sony.net/Fun/SH/1-20/h5.html


** Complete pile of DRIVEL and UTTER ******** written by god knows what
****wit in Sony's marketing department after drinking far too much Saki !!!


It was of course *Philips* who originally conceived and developed the CD
system, inviting Sony into the game at a late stage and so Philips had
priority in model naming. It was simply not on to both of them use the
number 100 on their first models.

The CD100 model Philips developed was very basic with few features ( not
even remote control) - plus it employed 14 bit D to A converters cos
Philips simply had no 16 bit ones available.

However, Sony's engineers took a little longer to finalise their first CD
player design, producing a very different product from the Philips
achine - the fully featured CDP101 was anything but basic, it came with
the lot.

Sony also elected to develop the first true 16 bit D to A converter IC for
the CDP101.

Sony were clearly out to "upstage" Philips with their first CD player and
succeeded.




...... Phil

"Arny Krueger"
"keith ratbag MORON "

Since the CDP 101 was Sony's only CD player at the time, it was by
definition the middle ground.


** That is a new variation on the tired old "middle ground" logical
fallacy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_ground

" Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam, also known as
middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy and the golden mean fallacy)
is a logical fallacy which asserts that a compromise between two positions
is correct. "


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!


BTW, what does this logic make the CDP 601?


** Successive application of a logical fallacy is a direct path to hell.


The average of one sample is the value of the sample.


** Arny is a compewter geek, so he never informs

- he just manipulates the data.



...... Phil

On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 11:05:33 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!

Nonsense. The manufacturer will decide from day 1 of the design
process whether the new model will be a low, middle or high
quality/spec product. And that will happen on the very first product
made. Any manufacturer who doesn't make that choice is a fool who
hasn't researched his market.

d

"Don ****wit Pearce"


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!

Nonsense.


** It is an utterly obvious FACT -

YOU ****WIT POMMY MORON !!!


he manufacturer will decide from day 1 of the design
process whether the new model will be a low, middle or high
quality/spec product.


** Irrelevant to the situation as described -

YOU COLOSSAL ****ING POMMY MORON !!!





...... Phil

On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 01:13:07 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Don ****wit Pearce"


Obviously, if a maker has produced only one model

- THAT one IS their top model !!!!!

Nonsense.


** It is an utterly obvious FACT -

YOU ****WIT POMMY MORON !!!


he manufacturer will decide from day 1 of the design
process whether the new model will be a low, middle or high
quality/spec product.


** Irrelevant to the situation as described -

YOU COLOSSAL ****ING POMMY MORON !!!





..... Phil


Do you know, my daffodils and crocuses are already out, and the cherry
trees are in bud. I think this is going to be a good year.

d