Caught the end of it where they were comparing MP3 CD and LP. Same piece
of music. Comment about vinyl was analogue must sound better than digital
as it contains all the information rather than just samples. Wonder what
their sound recordist thought about that. ;-)

Missed the beginning of the piece so don't know what they made the MP3
from. If they even said. They did say it was at the highest sampling rate.

They both sort of agreed the MP3 sounded best..

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Caught the end of it where they were comparing MP3 CD and LP. Same
piece
of music. Comment about vinyl was analogue must sound better than
digital
as it contains all the information rather than just samples. Wonder
what
their sound recordist thought about that. ;-)

Missed the beginning of the piece so don't know what they made the MP3
from. If they even said. They did say it was at the highest sampling
rate.

They both sort of agreed the MP3 sounded best..

--


As ever is the case with such programmes - and especially the Gadget
Show - the didn't do a realistic test. The amp and speakers they used
are not designed to fill an audtitorium with sound but rather a domestic
listening room albeit maybe a large one. If they had listened under
those conditions, where the environment is not intended to reinforce the
sound, where they would have been listening at sounds levels that the
ear can better handle, and above all, where they are closer to the
speakers I suspect their findings would have been somewhat different.

But that's 'red-top' TV for you.



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There is an interesting thing here of course, that as people get more adept
at removing bits of information and yet making it sound better, could we be
seeing the digital equivelent of why some say vinyl is better. What I mean
is, if you can identify the distortion or missing info in vinyl that makes
it sound better than what is perfect, then this could be added to an mp3 to
make it sound more like vinyl!

Its all very subjective, after all. Some people claim they like the ound of
Real Audio streams, but then maybe they are just deaf!

Brian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
Caught the end of it where they were comparing MP3 CD and LP. Same piece
of music. Comment about vinyl was analogue must sound better than digital
as it contains all the information rather than just samples. Wonder what
their sound recordist thought about that. ;-)

Missed the beginning of the piece so don't know what they made the MP3
from. If they even said. They did say it was at the highest sampling rate.

They both sort of agreed the MP3 sounded best..

--
*OK, so what's the speed of dark? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
Caught the end of it where they were comparing MP3 CD and LP. Same
piece of music. Comment about vinyl was analogue must sound better than
digital as it contains all the information rather than just samples.
Wonder what their sound recordist thought about that. ;-)

Do sound recordists normally know about and understand the Sampling
Theorem, etc? Clearly it isn't part of the education for programme
presenters. :-)


They both sort of agreed the MP3 sounded best..

Less is more, eh? :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
Caught the end of it where they were comparing MP3 CD and LP. Same
piece of music. Comment about vinyl was analogue must sound better than
digital as it contains all the information rather than just samples.
Wonder what their sound recordist thought about that. ;-)

Do sound recordists normally know about and understand the Sampling
Theorem, etc? Clearly it isn't part of the education for programme
presenters. :-)

I was more referring to the improvment in sound as recorded by the
average pro VTR when things went digital.


They both sort of agreed the MP3 sounded best..

Less is more, eh? :-)

I missed the whole piece but it seems likely that MP3 originated from a CD
anyway. I doubt a low budget prog like this would have had access to
master recordings.

Slainte,

Jim

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Dave Plowman London SW
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I was listening to a bit of a naff sounding mp 3 of some guitar music the
other day when a friend said how realistic it sounded. I said he must have
some strange guitars round his place as the phase problems of mp3 were all
too obvious in the rythmic swizzling and change in tone etc. I think it was
48kbits or something like that.

I really cannot listen to internet stations like Wave as these effects are
so headache inducing.
Some of the win media 64kbit streams are passable, but not great.
Brian

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
Caught the end of it where they were comparing MP3 CD and LP. Same
piece of music. Comment about vinyl was analogue must sound better than
digital as it contains all the information rather than just samples.
Wonder what their sound recordist thought about that. ;-)

Do sound recordists normally know about and understand the Sampling
Theorem, etc? Clearly it isn't part of the education for programme
presenters. :-)


They both sort of agreed the MP3 sounded best..

Less is more, eh? :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
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"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
There is an interesting thing here of course, that as people get more
adept at removing bits of information and yet making it sound better,
could we be seeing the digital equivelent of why some say vinyl is better.
What I mean is, if you can identify the distortion or missing info in
vinyl that makes it sound better than what is perfect, then this could be
added to an mp3 to make it sound more like vinyl!

Its all very subjective, after all. Some people claim they like the ound
of Real Audio streams, but then maybe they are just deaf!

Brian

--
It's similar to people who think DABradio sounds better because it is
"digital". They
don't know why but think they are expected to say it is better.
I would love to see vinyl recorded with low bitrates and
compression/limiting.
Why not record a MP3 track straight to vinyl and listen to the difference.
DABradio is equivalent to a good quality MW mono signal with restricted
audio
frequencies.

"Clive" wrote in message
...

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It's similar to people who think DABradio sounds better because it is
"digital".

Or those who think vinyl is better because it's analogue.

They
don't know why but think they are expected to say it is better.

As you said.

I would love to see vinyl recorded with low bitrates and
compression/limiting.

Vinyl is analogue, so any reference to "bitrates" is meaningless. But of
course all records have always used compression and limiting. It's only a
matter of how and how much. Pop 45s have always had masses of compression.

Why not record a MP3 track straight to vinyl and listen to the difference.

Eh? what are you talking about?

DABradio is equivalent to a good quality MW mono signal

No such thing. MW radio is universally crap these days.

with restricted
audio
frequencies.

DAB has about 3 times the bandwidth of MW.

David.

David Looser wrote:

"Clive" wrote in message

--
It's similar to people who think DABradio sounds better because it is
"digital".

Or those who think vinyl is better because it's analogue.

Some people just don't 'get it'. The inherent problems with vinyl pressing and
playback make any deficiencies with CD look minute.

Graham

David Looser wrote:
"Clive" wrote in message
...
--
It's similar to people who think DABradio sounds better because it is
"digital".

Or those who think vinyl is better because it's analogue.

They
don't know why but think they are expected to say it is better.

As you said.

I would love to see vinyl recorded with low bitrates and
compression/limiting.

Vinyl is analogue, so any reference to "bitrates" is meaningless. But of
course all records have always used compression and limiting. It's only a
matter of how and how much. Pop 45s have always had masses of compression.

Why not record a MP3 track straight to vinyl and listen to the difference.

Eh? what are you talking about?


What can be done, if you have the time and inclination, is record vinyl
to a digital file. It then becomes digital.

As to why people want to do this . . . well, a friend has asked me to
record some vinyl to digital, and then CD, so her mum can listen to the
music. Brass band music - Black Dyke Mills Band, 1968. Quality seems
pretty good to me - used the latest version of Audacity, very good
indeed IMO.

HTH

Rob