"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Rob" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
This is the ukra Charter:

http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.audio.html

(Allegedly...)


Not that I paid much attention in the first place - but that does look
different - has anyone edited it?



No idea.



I think AV equipment should be 'allowed' as more people use it as part of
their audio only systems; technical posts are fine; merits etc of
valves/vinyl/digital/SS fine of course; discussion of manufacturers fine;
don't understand the point on crossposting.


With you on all of that.



I can't see how a discussion can take place without the inclusion of
these aspects. In fact a lot of the discussion is about all of this - and
the better for it.


Yep.



And what do 'frown' and 'lengthy flame' mean?! Strikes me that a sort of
closed club mentality might have been the original idea.


I don't think so, not originally - I think the closed club mentality has
evolved over the years.



The recent issue has been group enforcers - perhaps the charter needs
reviewing?


Possibly, but attitudes need to be reviewed also - nowadays, oustide of
the industry, 'audio' is dead and no amount of hokey 'my vintage amplifier
hums' BS is going to save it. Normal 'hi-fi gear' in the form of SS amps
and CDPs (if such a thing is still being produced) is all much of a
muchness, all sounds the same (we are told) and never breaks down (unless
it's high-ticket Brit stuff built by Chavs or Roumanians in East Anglia
somewhere). People get all the 'audio' they want from a number of
different sources, including stuff like the Telly, AV amps, MP3 players
and mobile phones - all of which would be 'frowned upon' and is outside
the Comfort Zone of the Quad Squad and other wannabee 'engineers' who seek
to rule this newsgroup today....

AFAIAC, the burning question is 'OT better than No T..??

IOW, does this group sit in silence like frogs in a pond for days on end
until a fly happens by, asking a *strictly audio* question (which are
typically ignored, in any case) or does it chatter like a tree full of
monkeys about anything and everything, trusting a common interest in
'audio' to keep a general audio vein running through it?

Last time I looked, there were an impossible 1000 posts a day in the UK
motorcycle newsgroup - OK, 90% of them are along 'meetoo' lines, but
generally anything and everything on and off topic was (and is being,
presumably) discussed without ever losing (that's 'loosing' for the Yanks
here) sight of the fact the main subjects in the group are 'bikes and
'biking.

Why is there *so much fear here* that wattering on about various topics in
between times (between what?) would cause such a rift in the space/time
continuum?

I see and/or hear a hundred things a day which take my interest and I
might mention in a conversation; I have posted only one or two (to fizz
things up) that I thought might have been of interest here! But I'm all
out of 'audio issues' atm, so I can't feed the furnace with nice 'audio
under-arm bowling' that I know a few here like so much. In fact, the last
question I posted that was *strictly* audio (which new SS amp?) was
virtually ignored - as are most similar quesions from 'strangers', I have
noticed?

Whatever....

I think it's all about *control* and I believe I know which maggot it is
that wants that control....

;-)

From my own POV it's academic - I think this group's about as fizzed up as
it's ever going to get; the question is do I bother to hang around for it?
I sure as hell ain't going to tolerate the hostility I'm gett ing here
just to see it starting to fire on all four and seeing Iain continually
grind *a certain other* individual into pulp time and time again loses
(that's.... never mind) its appeal after a while,other than to study at
great length the *hypocrisy* of the one perpetuating the OT topic, simply
because he a) can't help himself or b) it suits him to do so....

:-)

EOT.



G'wan, Don - wag a little chidey finger, you know you *want* to! :-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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From my own POV it's academic - I think this group's about as fizzed up as
it's ever going to get; the question is do I bother to hang around for it?
I sure as hell ain't going to tolerate the hostility I'm gett ing here
just to see it starting to fire on all four

It's interesting., Keith, to see that many of the OT and SOT
threads attract the most interest. This gives the impression
that the interesting group of people who post to this forum
are willing and able to talk about almost anything:-)


and seeing Iain continually grind *a certain other* individual into pulp
time and time again loses
its appeal after a while

Erm. That is certainly not the intention. Dave and I have our
roots at opposite ends of the industry. It is probably natural
that we see things from a different perspective.


Iain.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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From my own POV it's academic - I think this group's about as fizzed up
as
it's ever going to get; the question is do I bother to hang around for
it?
I sure as hell ain't going to tolerate the hostility I'm gett ing here
just to see it starting to fire on all four

It's interesting., Keith, to see that many of the OT and SOT
threads attract the most interest. This gives the impression
that the interesting group of people who post to this forum
are willing and able to talk about almost anything:-)


and seeing Iain continually grind *a certain other* individual into pulp
time and time again loses
its appeal after a while

Erm. That is certainly not the intention.


Oh, I'm sure it's not.....

:-)


Dave and I have our
roots at opposite ends of the industry.


You certainly do!


It is probably natural
that we see things from a different perspective.

:-)

Keith G wrote:

Last time I looked, there were an impossible 1000 posts a day in the UK
motorcycle newsgroup - OK, 90% of them are along 'meetoo' lines, but
generally anything and everything on and off topic was (and is being,
presumably) discussed without ever losing (that's 'loosing' for the
Yanks here) sight of the fact the main subjects in the group are 'bikes
and 'biking.

That particular group can be vastly improved by killfiling one poster.
Unlike this one though, there is only one clique to wind up.

--
Eiron.

"Eiron" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

Last time I looked, there were an impossible 1000 posts a day in the UK
motorcycle newsgroup - OK, 90% of them are along 'meetoo' lines, but
generally anything and everything on and off topic was (and is being,
presumably) discussed without ever losing (that's 'loosing' for the Yanks
here) sight of the fact the main subjects in the group are 'bikes and
'biking.

That particular group can be vastly improved by killfiling one poster.
Unlike this one though, there is only one clique to wind up.


Couldn't care less about cliques - I stand on my own and speak only for
myself.

The only mystery in the 'bike group was that I couldn't work out the
following:

1) What percentage of them knew what a motorcycle was?

2) What percentage of them had ever seen a real motorcycle?

3) What percentage of them had ever sat on a real motorcycle?

4) What percentage of them had ever ridden a real motorcycle?

5) What percentage of them had ever owned a real motorcycle?


And (for the OT Police)

6) What percentage of them preferred valves and vinyl to SS and CDs?

:-)

In article ,
Rob wrote:
I think AV equipment should be 'allowed' as more people use it as part
of their audio only systems; technical posts are fine; merits etc of
valves/vinyl/digital/SS fine of course; discussion of manufacturers
fine; don't understand the point on crossposting.

Of course the sound side of AV equipment comes under audio. Lengthy
discussions about the merits of projector video quality probably not -
there are loads of newsgroups for this.

--
*When cheese gets it's picture taken, what does it say?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
This is the ukra Charter:

http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.audio.html

(Allegedly...)


I have a few questions:

Can anyone point to the bit that says Poochie's ****y little recording
job is in *any way* on topic?

Who's 'Poochie' Kitty? You need to be clear who you're referring to. Is it
Iain or Arny? Both do 'recording'.

Who is going to *frown upon* the 'Old Arguments'?

Audio is old. Plenty of the arguments are therefore old too.

Why aren't speaker cables included in the 'Old Arguments'?

They seem to be.

Why do people claim that crossposting is *excluded* in the Charter, when
it isn't?

Who claims that?

Where does it say that this newsgroup belongs to Poochie?

It belongs to nobody. But like all newsgroups it's best to stay vaguely on
topic. Otherwise it p***es off many.

Why doesn't anyone discuss 'hi-fi audio equipment

That's up to the contributors. But of course if anyone mentions 'digital'
you'll immediately say how much better vinyl sounds. On and on and on.

Why doesn't anyone exchange 'hi-fi audio equipment'?

Perhaps most have got what they want - and don't constantly search for the
holy grail as you do - and apparently find it. Until a couple of days
later, of course.


All these questions need answers - enquiring minds need to know!!

You don't look for any answers which don't suit your narrow views. You
just want to impose your views on others. Perhaps I'll start calling you
the Iyatolla - since you're so keen on giving others nicknames. Kitty.

--
*Husbands should come with instructions

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.