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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Now that's about me done - this group has become simply too slow and too
damn boring to bother with!

Why have I got that deja vu feeling? ;-)

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Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:55:58 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article 4aaa1236.6036468@localhost, Don Pearce
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:58:20 +0100, Malcolm Lee
wrote:
On 2009-09-11, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Malcolm Lee
wrote:
BTW How flat was your LP when unsupported? Did you turn it over and
repeat the measurement? That seems like an obvious check for the
effects of the LP being inherently 'dished' by a small amount.
Yes, I measured both sides and averaged the droop.

Do bear in mind when measuring that the droop continues to increase for
quite some time. If you measure straight away, it will be an
under-measurement.
It occurs to me that, statistically, a simpler test might be useful. This
is simply to weigh each LP and note if the values change with year of
manufacture, etc. It won't allow for deliberately shaped discs, nor changes
in density or stiffness. But it would avoid the difficulty of trying to
allow for creep, departures from inherent flatness, etc, that can affect
measurements like the above.

That said, I'm not personally rushing to do any of this. :-) I rarely
bother with LPs these days. But I am interested in results people get.


Oh, this is all pretty well academic only. Vinyl is not for quality
any more - it is for nostalgia and dinner party bragging rights. It
doesn't actually matter how saggy it is. In fact the way this all
works, somebody will soon be claiming that it actually enhances the
sound.


I find that vinyl can sound pretty good.

Rob

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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 10:36:35 GMT, Rob
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:55:58 +0100, Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article 4aaa1236.6036468@localhost, Don Pearce
wrote:
On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:58:20 +0100, Malcolm Lee
wrote:
On 2009-09-11, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Malcolm Lee
wrote:
BTW How flat was your LP when unsupported? Did you turn it over and
repeat the measurement? That seems like an obvious check for the
effects of the LP being inherently 'dished' by a small amount.
Yes, I measured both sides and averaged the droop.

Do bear in mind when measuring that the droop continues to increase for
quite some time. If you measure straight away, it will be an
under-measurement.
It occurs to me that, statistically, a simpler test might be useful. This
is simply to weigh each LP and note if the values change with year of
manufacture, etc. It won't allow for deliberately shaped discs, nor changes
in density or stiffness. But it would avoid the difficulty of trying to
allow for creep, departures from inherent flatness, etc, that can affect
measurements like the above.

That said, I'm not personally rushing to do any of this. :-) I rarely
bother with LPs these days. But I am interested in results people get.


Oh, this is all pretty well academic only. Vinyl is not for quality
any more - it is for nostalgia and dinner party bragging rights. It
doesn't actually matter how saggy it is. In fact the way this all
works, somebody will soon be claiming that it actually enhances the
sound.


I find that vinyl can sound pretty good.


I think the expression "damning with faint praise" covers it.

d

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote

'S'rallan' is the most consistent manufacturer in the history of
consumer electronics, AFAIC - he has yet to make anything that a) would
interest me; b) I would buy....

(Odious little barrow boy....)


Your lack of interest in his products doesn't seem to have done Sir Alan
any harm. Here he is, rolling in dough, TV star and government supremo
for something or other (I forget).


So...???

Ah!, you didn't understand my point - never mind.


It appears I did and, no, I don't mind....


I wasn't defending Sir
Alan, I was pointing out that he probably doesn't care what you think
about him.


Get away.....



Let me give you a clue how we think in my family: As a staunch/lifelong
Tory, my grandmother wasn't too thrilled when my grand-dad invited
Clement Attlee round for Sunday lunch on a couple of occasions (he was PM
at the time*) and also as a staunch Catholic, when the Pope of the day
(long time ago, now) decreed that RCs could eat meat on a Friday, she
said words to the effect 'WTF does he know? He's only the Pope!' and
never did eat meat on a Friday!

(OK not quite 'WTF' I believe, but you get the idea! :-)

Sorry?, what the hell does that pointless anecdote have to do with
anything?



A simple attempt to show you I come from a fairly long line of people who
aren't easily impressed by 'celebrity' and who certainly don't give a rat's
arse about the sort of cheesy crap you seemed to be in such awe of....

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Looser wrote:
Sorry?, what the hell does that pointless anecdote have to do with
anything?

Remember he's a pal of Churches. Image is everything. ;-)


Do wake up, FFS....

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Now that's about me done - this group has become simply too slow and too
damn boring to bother with!

Why have I got that deja vu feeling? ;-)


I dare say you have, but hardly worth a cigar though, is it?

(You'll soon have this place all to yourself again, I expect! ;-)

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Sorry?, what the hell does that pointless anecdote have to do with
anything?

A simple attempt to show you I come from a fairly long line of people
who aren't easily impressed by 'celebrity' and who certainly don't give
a rat's arse about the sort of cheesy crap you seemed to be in such awe
of....

Crikey. Where did it all go wrong for you, then?

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*Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...


A simple attempt to show you I come from a fairly long line of people who
aren't easily impressed by 'celebrity' and who certainly don't give a
rat's arse about the sort of cheesy crap you seemed to be in such awe
of....


You really don't get it do you? I am no more in "awe" of celebrity than you
are, probably less. And secondly I don't give a rat's arse what sort of
people you come from a "long line of", you simply aren't that important,
even if you think you are.

David.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Sorry?, what the hell does that pointless anecdote have to do with
anything?

A simple attempt to show you I come from a fairly long line of people
who aren't easily impressed by 'celebrity' and who certainly don't give
a rat's arse about the sort of cheesy crap you seemed to be in such awe
of....

Crikey. Where did it all go wrong for you, then?


Ooh, let's not do that, shall we? (I don't subscribe to 'it's all gone wrong
for me' thinking - I've pushed my luck and got away with it too often for
that! :-)

Get out and grab some of this lovely sunshine while you can - I'll be off
out on my Harrrrleeee once a 'certain' computer operation I'm running has
finished!

:-)



--
*Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?


Basics?




Dave Plowman London SW
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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A simple attempt to show you I come from a fairly long line of people who
aren't easily impressed by 'celebrity' and who certainly don't give a
rat's arse about the sort of cheesy crap you seemed to be in such awe
of....


You really don't get it do you? I am no more in "awe" of celebrity than
you are, probably less. And secondly I don't give a rat's arse what sort
of people you come from a "long line of", you simply aren't that
important, even if you think you are.

David.


Calm *down* dear!

Check what I wrote and note the word 'seemed' - I think you read that as
'seem' ... no?