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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:
Bit of good news:


More I hear of these the less I'm tempted to buy them. I have all the
original LPs and all the original CDs. And in general, the CDs are what
you'd expect of a good transfer from an analogue master tape.

I have my doubts about the claims being made - in both directions, 'better'
or 'worse'. I've not done any serious comparison, but as I reported earlier
the one CD I've tried didn't sound noticably different to the orginal CDs,
beyond being in 'stereo'. Not yet compared with my old LP versions. So
can't yet comment on if there have been any fiddling about with the
dynamics, frequency response, etc.

My main interest at this point is that the first four 'LPs' are now being
released in 'stereo' rather than the mono versions.

If these new transfers sound radically different it's because they've
been screwed around with - and therefore unlikely to be 'improved'.

Quite possibly. However as yet I don't know if they actually *do* sound
different. That may be figments of the imagination of reviewers and
publicity types. Can't say at this point! No obvious differences in sound
quality have struck me as yet. But it has been a while since I played the
previous versions.

I did find it quite amusing that one review (PlayCom) moaned that the
'stereo' was like the orginal LPs with the voices on one side and the
instruments on the other. That's how it was, folks. No 64-track source
tapes to 'remix'. if you don't like it, buy the mono version as that was
the principle one at the time. :-)

Come to think of it, what did surprise me (forgetting the greed of big
companies) is that they didn't put both the mono and 'stereo' versions onto
the same CD. Have a number of reissues of other artists like Cream that did
that to good effect. Alas, always with the risk of the material being
'improved' sic. I was quite impressed a few years ago with some Who/Cream
re-issues that did this, pace the problems of compression and other
fiddling about. I'd have much preferred such extras to a mini video which
you watch once and then forget. But I guess 'video documentaries' 3 mins
long are more trendy... Style rules over substance.

Slainte,

Jim

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Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:


Have you/anyone heard these remasters? While they sound quite good, I
can't help thinking something odd's going on. Certain instruments seem
to have been brought forward in the mix.

So far I've only heard the 'new' Please Please Me CD. The obvious
difference between it and the earlier CD is that the 'new' one is in the
same kind of 'stereo' as the original 'stereo' LP. Not done any serious
comparisons (as yet) because I'm busy with something else on that front,
but just enjoyed the music. At present I plan to get the first four in the
series as the initial CDs were mono. May then get the others if there seems
any reason to do so.


You could just buy a couple of mp3s for analysis.

FWIW The 'video' seems to be in quicktime format, but FFMPEG gave me a
more convenient version in MPEG format. :-) That said, if you have seen
the recent programme on BBC4 then I guess you have seen what is in the
video on the CD. Can't say that 'bonus' seemed to me to be a reason to buy
new copies of the CDs if you already have decent CD and/or LP versions.


Not sure which video you mean - but I liked 'The Beatles on Record'
shown recently. Great technique of subject focus in archive
footage/photos, and blurring the rest.

Rob

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Keith G wrote:

"Rob" wrote


Bit of good news:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/r...-catalog_N.htm


" . . . a long-overdue digital reparation that restores the original
vinyl's wider midrange, pin-drop clarity and rhythmic heft."

Now, I wouldn't go quite that far but at least they're listening.

Have you/anyone heard these remasters? While they sound quite good, I
can't help thinking something odd's going on. Certain instruments seem
to have been brought forward in the mix.


If you like the Beatles you'll probably like the movie 'Across The
Universe':

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0445922/



Thanks for that Keith - hadn't noticed.

Rob

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In article , Rob
wrote:
Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , Rob
wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:


Have you/anyone heard these remasters? While they sound quite good, I
can't help thinking something odd's going on. Certain instruments
seem to have been brought forward in the mix.

So far I've only heard the 'new' Please Please Me CD. The obvious
difference between it and the earlier CD is that the 'new' one is in
the same kind of 'stereo' as the original 'stereo' LP. Not done any
serious comparisons (as yet) because I'm busy with something else on
that front, but just enjoyed the music. At present I plan to get the
first four in the series as the initial CDs were mono. May then get
the others if there seems any reason to do so.


You could just buy a couple of mp3s for analysis.

MP3 versions are generally suspect for analysis purposes as they overlay
the effects of mp3 data reduction. And it is easy enough to get the CDs

FWIW The 'video' seems to be in quicktime format,

Not sure which video you mean - but I liked 'The Beatles on Record'
shown recently. Great technique of subject focus in archive
footage/photos, and blurring the rest.

if you put one of the 'new' CDs into a computer drive you will find the
hold an ISO filer and a 'quicktime' move. I can't directly view quicktime,
so converted the one on the Please Please Me CD into an MPEG. But it is
just a short snippet from the same material as the TV programme.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Jim Lesurf
wrote:
So far I've only heard the 'new' Please Please Me CD. The obvious
difference between it and the earlier CD is that the 'new' one is in
the same kind of 'stereo' as the original 'stereo' LP. Not done any
serious comparisons (as yet) because I'm busy with something else on
that front, but just enjoyed the music. At present I plan to get the
first four in the series as the initial CDs were mono. May then get
the others if there seems any reason to do so.

The reason they are mono is because they weren't made in stereo. Twin
track mixdowns were done for production reasons, but weren't stereo.

Agreed. That is why used inverted commas to refer to 'stereo'. They are
just the two tracks from a two track tape recording with vocals on one
track and instruments on the other. However they are of interest as a
comparison with the orginal 'stereo' (note inverted commas again!) LP
version. Also of interest if you want to play with mono and balance
controls to adjust the voice/instrument level balance. :-)

I have both mono and 'stereo' versions of the original LPs, and the
stereo ones are of interest only. And it wouldn't be possible to produce
anything approaching even decent pan pot stereo without re-recording the
original sessions.

Indeed. Hence my amusement about a reviewer who moaned that the 'stereo'
was no better than the original LPs. :-)

Of course the could have moved the voice track to center. But what would
they have then done with the instrument tracks if they wanted to avoid
simple mono? Hence their decision makes sense to me. Mind you, maybe
people who don't have a mono button on their preamp would argue. ;-

Slainte,

Jim

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Bluray with full-on HD sound, naturlich!)

Wot's HD sound, Kitty?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Rob" wrote

Luckily I've not considered the whole bluray/HD thing all that important.
Not sure why - I'm usually willing to throw obscene amounts of money at
that sort of thing. 42" LCD is more than enough, and a 700MB DVD rip looks
OK, panning shots apart.

Bit jealous though :-)


You can't avoid Bluray Rob, it's inevitable/unstoppable/the coming thing/the
best thing since sliced stuff! Just stick a BD player on your telly and I
think you'll be blown away by the difference - despite that the smaller the
screen the less the impact, of course! Apart from the picture, there's the
HD sound - no more *grainy* 16/44.1!

And the extras like BD Live - wait 20 minutes for a 3 minute trailer to be
downloaded and then have the movie utterly spoiled!!

:-)


(That said, Eddie Izzard needs to find a *voice* somewhere PDQ or just
pack in trying to do this sort of thing!)


Saw him live a while back. 9 parts ****ed for the first half hour,
followed by the the funniest hour of standup I think I've seen.


:-)


Now, anyone wanna see a pic of the oil ****ing out of my Harrrrleeee?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/OilLeakB.JPG

(Takes yer back a bit, don't it? :-)


WTF?! Is that the one you've just had bored?


Yes - is why it's ****ing oil!

(I think I've tonked it a bit too hard before it was 'tightened down at 500
miles! :-)


Only experience of bikes was a Honda 90 moped. As usual, I stripped it
down and built it up for no particular reason - what i'd call nicely
engineered.


Cetainly - the original Jap built 50 and 90cc Cub/Super Cub/Wotever were
absolutely *indestructible* and are rated the 'best bikes of all time' on a
number of different criteria!



Funnily enough, one step closer to doing the bike test - beer fuelled
agreement with a colleague :-)


Blimey! What's brought this on?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Bluray with full-on HD sound, naturlich!)

Wot's HD sound, Kitty?


Uh oh, he's gone again!

(Shame - I thought he was doing so well for a while there! ;-)

Leopard. Spots, I guess....




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together*

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Apart from the picture, there's the HD sound - no more *grainy* 16/44.1!

Except, of course, that on a DVD it's 16/48. And any audible difference
between it and so-called "HD" sound exists only in your imagination. Hey you
are the guy who keeps complaining that the effects of warped records is
inaudible!

David.

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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Apart from the picture, there's the HD sound - no more *grainy* 16/44.1!

Except, of course, that on a DVD it's 16/48. And any audible difference
between it and so-called "HD" sound exists only in your imagination. Hey
you are the guy who keeps complaining that the effects of warped records
is inaudible!


Not me, squire - I would say that's a reason for rejoicing, not
complaining....