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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:
Many companies record in the same venues, St. John's.
Smith Square is a good example. Each recording sounds
different regardless of being made in the same acoustic
space.

One would hope so. Not much calling for lots of identical recordings...

I refer (of course) to the *sound* of those recordings,
not to the works recorded.

Iain

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Sorry to be looking over your shoulder again Iain, but it's how I get to see
what your friend Amy is saying - wot with him being in my ****ter an' all!!
:-)



"Arny Krueger" wrote


We can take absence of a documented denial of the above as agreement on
Iain's part that no, he has never been a hands-on professional recordist.


Again with the 'we' - I wonder who's there with him? His pooch?

(If it is Pucciwanka, I wonder what they are *doing*...??)

@;-)

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Keith G wrote:

Sorry to be looking over your shoulder again Iain, but it's how I get to
see what your friend Amy is saying - wot with him being in my ****ter
an' all!!
:-)

And just how weird is that...

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:

Sorry to be looking over your shoulder again Iain, but
it's how I get to see what your friend Amy is saying -
wot with him being in my ****ter an' all!!
:-)

And just how weird is that...

Getting Kitty to killfile one's self is a process for which there would no
doubt be quite a demand, were it possible to do so by reliable means. ;-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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Sorry to be looking over your shoulder again Iain, but it's how I get to
see what your friend Amy is saying - wot with him being in my ****ter an'
all!! :-)



"Arny Krueger" wrote


We can take absence of a documented denial of the above as agreement on
Iain's part that no, he has never been a hands-on professional
recordist.


Again with the 'we' - I wonder who's there with him? His pooch?


No I think he's very much alone - No-one in their
right mind would align themselves with "Deluded of Detroit"
Remember how quickly Pinkie disassociated himself?

Arny still does not understand even the job titles.
A recordist works in film and TV, recording dialogue,
foley etc.

Most of what he writes is too banal to warrant a
reply.

Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
Arny still does not understand even the job titles.
A recordist works in film and TV, recording dialogue,
foley etc.

Seems you know little about that too.

A sound recordist in film and TV is responsible for *all* the sound
captured on camera. It might be dialogue - or it might be a symphony
orchestra. Or even a big band. He might also provide wild tracks - ie
sound not on camera - for use at the dub.

Foley is the *creation* of sound FX at a dub. Things like footsteps. That
is the responsibility of the dubbing mixer.

Really, armchair experts like you should keep quiet about things they have
no knowledge of.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

Foley is the *creation* of sound FX at a dub. Things like footsteps. That
is the responsibility of the dubbing mixer.

I'm suprised to read that. My clear understanding is that recording Foley is
a separate operation, recorded in a Foley stage, and done *before* the dub.
The Foley recordist is often given his own credit at the end of a film. The
dubbing mixers would expect to have the Foley tracks available to them at
the time of the dub along with the dialogue, music etc.

David.

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David Looser wrote:
Foley is the *creation* of sound FX at a dub. Things like footsteps.
That is the responsibility of the dubbing mixer.

I'm suprised to read that. My clear understanding is that recording
Foley is a separate operation, recorded in a Foley stage, and done
*before* the dub. The Foley recordist is often given his own credit at
the end of a film. The dubbing mixers would expect to have the Foley
tracks available to them at the time of the dub along with the dialogue,
music etc.

It depends on the size of the operation. And changing technology.
Certainly in TV Foley was done at the main dub - but then TV tends to have
more live sound. If the dialogue is all post synced as once was the case
in films, all the effects have to be created. Which makes for a massive
amount of Foley.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

It depends on the size of the operation. And changing technology.
Certainly in TV Foley was done at the main dub - but then TV tends to have
more live sound. If the dialogue is all post synced as once was the case
in films, all the effects have to be created. Which makes for a massive
amount of Foley.


OK, I entirely admit that my knowledge is based on feature film practice, I
still find it hard to imagine Foley being recorded actually during a dub
though. Wouldn't this mean all the paraphernalia of a Foley stage having to
be present in a dubbing theatre?

I was told by someone in the sound department at Pinewood that all
incidental sound effects are routinely re-recorded in Foley for the foreign
language versions. This would apply regardless of whether the
English-language dialogue was post-synced or not.

David.

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David Looser wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote

It depends on the size of the operation. And changing technology.
Certainly in TV Foley was done at the main dub - but then TV tends to
have more live sound. If the dialogue is all post synced as once was
the case in films, all the effects have to be created. Which makes for
a massive amount of Foley.


OK, I entirely admit that my knowledge is based on feature film
practice, I still find it hard to imagine Foley being recorded actually
during a dub though. Wouldn't this mean all the paraphernalia of a
Foley stage having to be present in a dubbing theatre?

Decent TV dubbing suites usually have a small studio attached to them. Can
be used for voice recordings as well as Foley. Of course for a feature
film the whole thing is scaled up. The dubbing process may be split into
several different sections with specialists doing the track laying making
the dub more of a mixdown. But in TV it's more usual to do it all in one
process. Many dubs these days are one man operations since digital editors
arrived.

I was told by someone in the sound department at Pinewood that all
incidental sound effects are routinely re-recorded in Foley for the
foreign language versions. This would apply regardless of whether the
English-language dialogue was post-synced or not.

Can't see why they'd need different language versions of Foley. Perhaps
down to custom and practice. ;-)

I have done Foley for a TV series which was being dubbed into a different
language. It was a quiet summer and our HOD decided to find work to do.
;-) Two of us spent a couple of weeks doing it all - no pukka Foley
artists involved. Because of cost. Was great fun.

Older feature films with background music had it easy - all you need for
those are spot FX. Without that it becomes much more difficult to produce
a convincing result. Most TV progs dubbed to a different language simply
don't bother - due to the time/costs involved.

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