In article ,
"Keith G" wrote:

"MiNe 109" wrote


Yes, those prices are dropping. That success would be unimaginable
without the widespread availability of hi-def tv displays.


Absolutely. You could almost go further and say HD *will* succeed because
it's fast becoming the case that there's no available alternative!

The market for standard definition analog tvs in the US has evaporated.


I understand that it is simply not possible to buy an SD TV in the UK these
days??

All but impossible. I just browsed Walmart and there was a CRT/dvd combo
at 480 listed but none available.

Various reading and browsing leads me to believe that even firms like
Sony
struggled to convince the 'high end boys' that their 'audiophile' ranges
are/were up to the standards of overpriced 'boutique audio' from UK (and
now
Chinese) *cottage industry* manufacturers and that ground-breaking,
industry-leading firms with humble origins like Lucky Goldstar can suffer
from a lingering (but rapidly diminishing) association with their
earlier,
cheap and (in some cases) fairly nasty products!!

Huh? Sony has always had respected high-end digital products.


Not so much in the UK, I think.

No ES series? The flagship SACD players were well-regarded.

LG doesn't
have high-end audio that I know of, while their tvs are everywhere.


Yes - LG and Samsung are a mighty force in the 'AV' world!

In article ,
"Keith G" wrote:

Have a Happy Christmas!!

Merry Christmas!

Stephen

"UnsteadyKen" wrote in message
m...
Keith G said...

You are also not wrong about the silly big sound/small image imbalance -
is
why my preferred (normal) viewing is a big sound with a 6 foot wide
image!!

Not sure if I agree about it being silly, for about a month I've been
trying precisely that: 28" screen and 10 feet wide sound.
http://www.btinternet.com/~unsteadyk.../nettocam.html
I did have the speakers as close as possible to the TV before.
The new arrangement work quite well for both TV and music.

And the voices *always* come straight out of their mouths!!

Ditto here, but "noises off" are most obviously way off over there.


Not surprised!! You mustn't leave a 'hole in the middle' with wide speaker
arrangements!



I've also been investigating the "Auto Volume" feature on the TV,
basically it is a compander, lifting low level and suppressing loud
sounds. It's very heavy handed and the effect on music is laughable but
it works well on some programs for late night listening.On speech radio
everybodytalks in a subdued monotone, rather like effect of the very
low bit depth digital radio which I did a lot of listening to in the
70's.
http://jproc.ca/crypto/bid150.html



Nice Show N Tell and interesting pix of encrypted comms kit - digital
descendants of SIGSALY I guess?

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Keith G" wrote:


I understand that it is simply not possible to buy an SD TV in the UK
these
days??

All but impossible. I just browsed Walmart and there was a CRT/dvd combo
at 480 listed but none available.


There you are then!


Huh? Sony has always had respected high-end digital products.


Not so much in the UK, I think.

No ES series? The flagship SACD players were well-regarded.



Yes, ES stuff is/was available and very nice too, but I don't think people
held it in quite the same esteem as 'high end' domestically-produced stuff.

Maybe that's just me, maybe I'm wrong?

SACD:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat01.mp3

Vinyl (no declicking):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat02.mp3

Vinyl (declicked with Izotope, believe it or not)

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat03.mp3


Enjoy!


Why does the second track sound better than the first one?

Frank

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:34:08 +0100, Frank
wrote:

SACD:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat01.mp3

Vinyl (no declicking):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat02.mp3

Vinyl (declicked with Izotope, believe it or not)

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat03.mp3


Enjoy!


Why does the second track sound better than the first one?

Higher level.

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 22:34:08 +0100, Frank
wrote:

SACD:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat01.mp3

Vinyl (no declicking):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat02.mp3

Vinyl (declicked with Izotope, believe it or not)

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat03.mp3


Enjoy!


Why does the second track sound better than the first one?

Higher level.



Actually, it isn't - if you look at the waveforms you will see the SACD
track (01) is louder in the right channel than the LP and the LP track (02)
is louder than the SACD in the left channel.

It's the best compromise I could get: the SACD clip recorded at a much lower
overall level than the LP and I had to bring up the volume and try to match
it manually in the recording software at the 'crossover point' - a kludge at
the best of times, but close enough for *listening* purposes.

Anyway, A/B comparisons like this are meaningless to anyone other than
'measurement freaks' - if anyone is looking for a 'winner' in situations
like this, the only way to choose between SACD/CD and 'vinyl' is to have
both, play both and see which one 'wins' (is played the most) over a period
of time.

Something I did a long time ago....

@;-)

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:59:01 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

SACD:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat01.mp3

Vinyl (no declicking):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat02.mp3

Vinyl (declicked with Izotope, believe it or not)

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat03.mp3


Enjoy!


Why does the second track sound better than the first one?

Higher level.



Actually, it isn't - if you look at the waveforms you will see the SACD
track (01) is louder in the right channel than the LP and the LP track (02)
is louder than the SACD in the left channel.

It's the best compromise I could get: the SACD clip recorded at a much lower
overall level than the LP and I had to bring up the volume and try to match
it manually in the recording software at the 'crossover point' - a kludge at
the best of times, but close enough for *listening* purposes.

Anyway, A/B comparisons like this are meaningless to anyone other than
'measurement freaks' - if anyone is looking for a 'winner' in situations
like this, the only way to choose between SACD/CD and 'vinyl' is to have
both, play both and see which one 'wins' (is played the most) over a period
of time.

Something I did a long time ago....

@;-)


I don't look at the waveforms, I only listen.
Second track sounds higher.

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:59:01 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

SACD:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat01.mp3

Vinyl (no declicking):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat02.mp3

Vinyl (declicked with Izotope, believe it or not)

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat03.mp3


Enjoy!


Why does the second track sound better than the first one?

Higher level.



Actually, it isn't - if you look at the waveforms you will see the SACD
track (01) is louder in the right channel than the LP and the LP track
(02)
is louder than the SACD in the left channel.

It's the best compromise I could get: the SACD clip recorded at a much
lower
overall level than the LP and I had to bring up the volume and try to
match
it manually in the recording software at the 'crossover point' - a kludge
at
the best of times, but close enough for *listening* purposes.

Anyway, A/B comparisons like this are meaningless to anyone other than
'measurement freaks' - if anyone is looking for a 'winner' in situations
like this, the only way to choose between SACD/CD and 'vinyl' is to have
both, play both and see which one 'wins' (is played the most) over a
period
of time.

Something I did a long time ago....

@;-)


I don't look at the waveforms, I only listen.
Second track sounds higher.



This is an audio newsgroup full of audio newsgroup types: I don't think it's
unreasonable to expect that at least the majority of said audio newsgroup
types would either look at waveforms or at least be able to look at
waveforms in situations like these. 'Loudest = best' is for your *auntie*,
not for audio newsgroup types - try using a volume control somewhere along
the line....

Keith G wrote:

"Ken" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:59:01 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

SACD:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat01.mp3

Vinyl (no declicking):

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat02.mp3

Vinyl (declicked with Izotope, believe it or not)

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/SoWhat03.mp3


Enjoy!


Why does the second track sound better than the first one?

Higher level.



Actually, it isn't - if you look at the waveforms you will see the SACD
track (01) is louder in the right channel than the LP and the LP
track (02)
is louder than the SACD in the left channel.

It's the best compromise I could get: the SACD clip recorded at a
much lower
overall level than the LP and I had to bring up the volume and try to
match
it manually in the recording software at the 'crossover point' - a
kludge at
the best of times, but close enough for *listening* purposes.

Anyway, A/B comparisons like this are meaningless to anyone other than
'measurement freaks' - if anyone is looking for a 'winner' in situations
like this, the only way to choose between SACD/CD and 'vinyl' is to have
both, play both and see which one 'wins' (is played the most) over a
period
of time.

Something I did a long time ago....

@;-)


I don't look at the waveforms, I only listen.
Second track sounds higher.



This is an audio newsgroup full of audio newsgroup types: I don't think
it's unreasonable to expect that at least the majority of said audio
newsgroup types would either look at waveforms or at least be able to
look at waveforms in situations like these. 'Loudest = best' is for your
*auntie*, not for audio newsgroup types - try using a volume control
somewhere along the line....



No no no ... I said that the second track sounded better not louder.
The second and the third even sound like at different pitch from the
first one ... and different overall.

Frank