On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:02:26 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

I wonder what the church has done to
alienate itself from the people?

Probably the same as it always did, but not hiding it as well.

There's also the multi-cultural influence. When other religions are
on our doorstep, affecting us culturally and politically, noticing
THEIR corruption and lack of real basis makes us realise OUR'S are no
different.

I still like to think of the UK as being the pacesetter
within the EBU but in some instances this is proving
not to be the case. Both Germany and Sweden have
digi broadcasting at 320kbs, on a good number of
stations featuring classical and jazz music.

Very good that is too Can't think why the BBC don't use higher rates on
SAT..

The results of privatizing transmission in the UK and giving it to a
monopoly.



The data rates are now disgusting on FreeView too especially on
the 'minority' channels. So I'm forced to use satellite.

Blimey I remember once you telling me how good it was;!..

The powers that be in the UK now no longer care about transmitted quality
on either TV or radio - and that includes the BBC. Who no longer have
engineers with a voice.


Still theres always DAB....

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Tony Sayer

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:
Dunno what sort of 'broadcast' you're talking about but the sort of
boom used in TV and film studios is *not* motorised.

Then you have fallen behind both German and Swedish
TV who use remote control motorised booms.

To set a semi-permanent mic position or to follow action?

I cannot really say. I have never seen them in use,
neither did I pay them much attention.

No surprise there then. ;-)

I had much more important things to think about:-)

But I will get
some details and perhaps a pic when the
opportunity presents itself.

I just can't see any benefit in using motorised servos for the boom
controls.

Obviously someone else could, or they would not
have done it:-)

These are in-house engineering mods.
There is a control box with a remote connector
at the base of the boom. The following are
controllable, Horizontal , Vertical, Extend, and Tilt.

I still like to think of the UK as being the pacesetter
within the EBU but in some instances this is proving
not to be the case. Both Germany and Sweden have
digi broadcasting at 320kbs, on a good number of
stations featuring classical and jazz music.

The results of privatizing transmission in the UK and giving it to a
monopoly. The data rates are now disgusting on FreeView too especially on
the 'minority' channels. So I'm forced to use satellite.

That's a sad admission:-(

As regards Nordic satelite TV, the BBC is a great disappointment
to many. Lots of quality television programme advertising hype,
followed by "The Weakest Link", "The Proms. 2003"
and "East Enders"


The powers that be in the UK now no longer care about transmitted quality
on either TV or radio - and that includes the BBC. Who no longer have
engineers with a voice.

Doesn't sound too promising:-((

Iain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:
As usual you wish to talk about music and musicians.

Does music offend you in some way?
Without music there would be very little to listen to on
your audio system:-)

There are lots and lots and lots of newsgroups dedicated to music in all
its shapes and forms.

I regard music as being very closely associated indeed with audio.
And besides, most of us come here to talk specifically with other
members of this group, many of whom just happen to be interested
in music.

Surely a broader based discussion is better than endless-loop
"valves and vinyl bashing" or wittering on forever about
speaker cables ?

Plenty more to discuss on an audio group. If people want to.

It seems not. That's why so many no longer post to UKRA
which now has a core membership of about eight people:-(

Kitty wants
it as his personal blog. You seem to want to talk more about music than
audio.


Why don't you just ignore the posts that don't interest you ?

Iain

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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Last time I was in a church (about 1960), the charlatan didn't need a
microphone. He just spoke up and everybody could hear him dribbling
down his chin. Why the **** does this crap have to be recorded? Isn't
it bad enough that it gets heard even once?


I wonder what the church has done to
alienate itself from the people?


Become increasingly irrelevant. There was a time when natural disasters
were believed to be "acts of the gods", so keeping the gods sweet by
making sacrifices and performing the prescribed rituals made some sort of
sense. But now we know what causes natural distaters, and we know that
they are neither some sort of divine retribution for our "sins" nor can
they be avoided by performing rituals.

So what actually is the point of the church these days?

Most people who attend church seem to regard it
as some sort of a life-after-death insurance policy:-)

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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Krueger wrote:

A regular boom mic immobilizes the pastor which is
totally unacceptable these days, so you couldn't
possibly mean such a thing! ;-)

In the UK, that is known as a lazy arm stand.

In the US, boom and mini-boom.

Mini boom is a good name, and differentiates clearly
between the two. Most mic stands seem to have
an arm these days. Few extend far enough to require
either a base weight or counterweight, but riggers and
assistants instinctively set the stands with one of the
tripod legs facing forward in the same direction as the arm.


I mostly use what we call a "mini-boom" which is composed of a
telescoping, locking sliding arm attached to the top of a standard
round-base mic stand by a clamping, rotating joint. On occasion the
required arm extension and/or microphone weight makes this assembly
unstable, so a 10 pound barbell weight slipped over the upright, sitting
on top of the metal base. Major feature is that it works and it is
cheap - less than $50 per.

Or at least
in broadcasting. A boom is the sort of device used in TV
and film studios - invariably made by Fisher these days
and costs a small fortune new.

I looked up Fisher booms and they look like quite the thing. Rather
intrusive and overkill for our purposes. But clearly the right tool for a
certain job.

The Fisher 2 is seen everywhere. It's very sturdy. Very good
for orchestra recording too.The new ones are pricey.

But in Europe one can also buy good second-hand booms
by Rank Film Industries and Mole Richardson. Some of
these were originally supplied as lighting booms, and are
not expensive. They are too large for most pop music studios.
With three of these you are well set up for basic orchestral
recording.

Iain

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bcoombes bcoombes@orangedotnet wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Iain Churches wrote:
Can you imagine a boom operator with
headphones and a fishpole at a church service:-)))

Make up your mind. Either boom or pole. The correct terminology in the
UK is 'pole for a hand held device. A boom is a studio device where
the mic is controlled via effectively remote controls at the other
end. A studio boom op can usually be immediately proficient on a
'pole - assuming he has the physical strength. The reverse is not the
case. Learning to operate a studio boom well takes a deal of time.
Just one of the many skills needed for TV sound that you know nothing
about.


Whooosh!!!

Another Humpty Dumpty. Who thinks words mean just what he wants them to.

Perhaps you forget the recent debate Mr Churches started over the use of
coincident pair? Sauce for the goose...

I stand by what I and the text books say about coincidental
pairs. To avoid confusion, we were always taught to talk
about AB and XY pairs.

I understand it clearly. If you care to look at some polar
patterns with regard to a 15cms t-bar, you will understand
it too, Dave. Ask your sound supervisor.

Iain

In article , Iain Churches
wrote:


Most people who attend church seem to regard it as some sort of a
life-after-death insurance policy:-)

An interesting analogy, given the way Insurance Companies tend to always
find ways of evading paying out when the claim comes to be made. Look in
the small print and check if you are actually *guaranteed* an after-life.
More likely they use the parachute maker's approach: If the parachute
doesn't work, just bring it back and we'll give you a replacement. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
As usual you wish to talk about music and musicians.

Does music offend you in some way?
Without music there would be very little to listen to on
your audio system:-)

There are lots and lots and lots of newsgroups dedicated to music in all
its shapes and forms. There are over 30,000 newsgroups out there. Forums
too for those who want a moderated one.

Surely a broader based discussion is better than endless-loop
"valves and vinyl bashing" or wittering on forever about
speaker cables ?

Plenty more to discuss on an audio group. If people want to. Kitty wants
it as his personal blog. You seem to want to talk more about music than
audio.

So music is not part of audio..well well, you live and learn. Of course the real
reason music talk offends you could be that it brings out feelings of inadequacy.


--
Bill Coombes

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tony sayer wrote:
The data rates are now disgusting on FreeView too especially on
the 'minority' channels. So I'm forced to use satellite.

Blimey I remember once you telling me how good it was;!..

It was once. They changed the data rates recently - at the retune. To
allow room for FreeView HD. Satellite HD has also had a drop in data rate
- to the point where there's little difference. First HD I saw here was
Wimbledon a couple of years ago which was stunningly good.

The powers that be in the UK now no longer care about transmitted
quality on either TV or radio - and that includes the BBC. Who no
longer have engineers with a voice.


Still theres always DAB....

Still find DAB fine for some things. Luckily, radio via Freeview doesn't
appear to have been changed - yet.

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