"David Looser" wrote in
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in
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As for "making evaluations and comparisons", doing that
in a meaningful way is not something that is really
within the province of the amateur enthusiast. But of
course we have Jim Lesurf here, who far and away the
most active and expert in this respect of those
currently on URA.

This would be a joke.

It's no joke. Jim has a real depth of understanding about
audio, you don't. It's that simple.

Well Dave, you get to be wrong. We both get audio pretty thoroughly, and at
such a level that you can't tell where we are above you.

Jim's more the academic, and I'm more of the practitioner.

As far as respect goes Dave, it is quite clear that you don't see the big
picture well enough to understand the place of both approaches. And it's
also clear Dave you've got a big grudge against me which clouds your vision
nearly to the point of blindness. Your blind hatred of me is why you made
the comparison. You want me to hurt.

I don't know why you're replying to me Dave. I thought you had me killfiled.
:-( Please do so again so you won't make such an idiot of yourself.

"David Looser" wrote in
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Making evaluations and comparisons isn't about some
gimmicky "test",

Tell that to the AES, who firmly stand behind ABX and have put my name on
it. Tell it again to the AES who have incorporated some of my comments on
testing procedures into their standards.

it's about having a real understanding
what you are doing and closely controlling the variables.

Clearly Dave you are talking out of the back of your neck. Like Iain and
Kitty, you're driven by blind hatred and want me to hurt.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in
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Making evaluations and comparisons isn't about some
gimmicky "test",

Tell that to the AES, who firmly stand behind ABX and have put my name on
it. Tell it again to the AES who have incorporated some of my comments on
testing procedures into their standards.

it's about having a real understanding
what you are doing and closely controlling the variables.

Clearly Dave you are talking out of the back of your neck. Like Iain and
Kitty, you're driven by blind hatred and want me to hurt.



Er, no - nothing of the sort, Amy....

I know your ego won't allow you to consider this but, nevertheless, it is
almost certainly a fact that the great majority of people on this planet/in
this newsgroup probably don't give a mosquito's fart whether you continue to
breath or not, let alone bother to summon up enough energy to actually
*hate* you - what you are suffering from here (and now) is the backlash of a
million and one of your smartarse/snide comments, unkind personal remarks
and general ****-slinging to various people in this group over the years.

As any *religious bigot* would say: 'As you sew, so shall ye reap'....

On 16 Feb, 15:47, "Keith G" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message

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"David Looser" wrote in


Making evaluations and comparisons isn't about some
gimmicky "test",

Tell that to the AES, who firmly stand behind ABX and have put my name on
it. Tell it again to the AES who have incorporated some of my comments on
testing procedures into their standards.

it's about having a real understanding
what you are doing and closely controlling the variables.

Clearly Dave you are talking out of the back of your neck. Like Iain and
Kitty, you're driven by blind hatred and want me to hurt.

Er, no - nothing of the sort, Amy....

I know your ego won't allow you to consider this but, nevertheless, it is
almost certainly a fact that the great majority of people on this planet/in
this newsgroup probably don't give a mosquito's fart whether you continue to
breath or not, let alone bother to summon up enough energy to actually
*hate* you - what you are suffering from here (and now) is the backlash of a
million and one of your smartarse/snide comments, unkind personal remarks
and general ****-slinging to various people in this group over the years.

As any *religious bigot* would say: 'As you sew, so shall ye reap'....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah yes, now I remember why I packed in posting to audio groups - the
same old suspects posting the same old stuff. Let's face it guys,
aside from speakers 'hi-fi' is done and dusted. All good modern amps
sound the same (when not actively processing the sound, as many modern
AV receivers seem to have more processing power then NASA!), all
sensibly made cables have *always* sounded the same, and media quality
is limited only by the idiocy of record producers, as we have widely
available 24/96 quality downloads which exceed the transparency and
resolution of microphones. If you want the truth, ask Jim! Slainte,
Stewart P.

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Audionut wrote:
On 16 Feb, 15:47, "Keith G" wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message



Clearly Dave you are talking out of the back of your neck. Like Iain
and Kitty, you're driven by blind hatred and want me to hurt.

Er, no - nothing of the sort, Amy....

I know your ego won't allow you to consider this but, nevertheless, it
is almost certainly a fact that the great majority of people on this
planet/in this newsgroup probably don't give a mosquito's fart whether
you continue to breath or not,


Ah yes, now I remember why I packed in posting to audio groups - the
same old suspects posting the same old stuff.

Yes, it does get quite boring when a few people keep making postings as
content free as "yawn" or repeating the same wordings just so they can
think they have 'scored a point' in some kind of playground argument.
However it is generally easy enough to ignore and killfile when the sources
are so predictable, and nothing is lost by skipping such vacuous postings.
:-)

Let's face it guys, aside from speakers 'hi-fi' is done and dusted.

I'd add 'room acoustics and setup' to that, at least. cf below.

All good modern amps sound the same (when not actively processing the
sound, as many modern AV receivers seem to have more processing power
then NASA!), all sensibly made cables have *always* sounded the same,
and media quality is limited only by the idiocy of record producers, as
we have widely available 24/96 quality downloads which exceed the
transparency and resolution of microphones.

My regret about this isn't so much the pointless arguments. It is the way
may displace more useful discussions by deterring people from even asking
questions. Also the unwillingness many display to accept the chance that
they might have something to learn which would to be to their advantage in
terms of being able to better enjoy music, etc.

If you want the truth, ask Jim!

I am tempted to take the duck-out Pilate suggested here. :-)

However the problem may be that some are certain they *know* the "truth"
without the need for any doubts, actual evidence, or engaging in discussion
- as distinct from finding an "argument" to "win".

Also, although a great deal may be known and understood by the professional
engineers involved, there is I think still some to be discovered and
learned by many writers and users - e.g. about ensuring combinations of
items work well together.

Slainte,

Jim

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"Audionut" wrote


Ah yes, now I remember why I packed in posting to audio groups - the
same old suspects posting the same old stuff.


Yep.


Let's face it guys,
aside from speakers 'hi-fi' is done and dusted.


Certainly 'soldering iron hifi' is a retrospective exercise these days with
'audio' becoming the lesser part of *audiovisual* and, like everything else
now, it's all 'good' and hard to tell apart if you rip off the badges....

"Keith G" wrote


Certainly 'soldering iron hifi' is a retrospective exercise these days
with 'audio' becoming the lesser part of *audiovisual* and, like
everything else now, it's all 'good' and hard to tell apart if you rip off
the badges....


Actually, that's ******** - my stuff is anything up to '80 years old' and
ideally not much younger than '50 years old' for music!

'Cinema' is a different thing entirely....

"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"David Looser" wrote in
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Making evaluations and comparisons isn't about some
gimmicky "test",

Tell that to the AES, who firmly stand behind ABX and
have put my name on it. Tell it again to the AES who
have incorporated some of my comments on testing
procedures into their standards.
it's about having a real understanding
what you are doing and closely controlling the
variables.

Clearly Dave you are talking out of the back of your
neck. Like Iain and Kitty, you're driven by blind hatred
and want me to hurt.

Er, no - nothing of the sort, Amy....

note that Kitty then proceeds to demonstrate his blind hatred and desire to
hurt with the following melt down:

I know your ego won't allow you to consider this but,
nevertheless, it is almost certainly a fact that the
great majority of people on this planet/in this newsgroup
probably don't give a mosquito's fart whether you
continue to breath or not, let alone bother to summon up
enough energy to actually *hate* you - what you are
suffering from here (and now) is the backlash of a
million and one of your smartarse/snide comments, unkind
personal remarks and general ****-slinging to various
people in this group over the years.

Kitty, if you had any self-consciousness at all, you'd realize that the
above paragraph is excellent evidence illustrating exactly the point that I
made.

"Audionut" wrote in message


Ah yes, now I remember why I packed in posting to audio
groups - the same old suspects posting the same old
stuff. Let's face it guys, aside from speakers 'hi-fi' is
done and dusted.

Try the Hydrogen Audio forums for a pleasant change.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...
"David Looser" wrote in
message

Making evaluations and comparisons isn't about some
gimmicky "test",

Tell that to the AES, who firmly stand behind ABX and
have put my name on it. Tell it again to the AES who
have incorporated some of my comments on testing
procedures into their standards.
it's about having a real understanding
what you are doing and closely controlling the
variables.

Clearly Dave you are talking out of the back of your
neck. Like Iain and Kitty, you're driven by blind hatred
and want me to hurt.

Er, no - nothing of the sort, Amy....

note that Kitty then proceeds to demonstrate his blind hatred and desire
to hurt with the following melt down:

I know your ego won't allow you to consider this but,
nevertheless, it is almost certainly a fact that the
great majority of people on this planet/in this newsgroup
probably don't give a mosquito's fart whether you
continue to breath or not, let alone bother to summon up
enough energy to actually *hate* you - what you are
suffering from here (and now) is the backlash of a
million and one of your smartarse/snide comments, unkind
personal remarks and general ****-slinging to various
people in this group over the years.

Kitty, if you had any self-consciousness at all, you'd realize that the
above paragraph is excellent evidence illustrating exactly the point that
I made.


Not at all - read again:

what you are
suffering from here (and now) is the backlash of a
million and one of your smartarse/snide comments, unkind
personal remarks and general ****-slinging to various
people in this group over the years.


And it should all fall into place - no?

If it helps (I'm Old School Brit - we don't normally do 'soothing' and/or
'touchy/feely', so please excuse me if I'm not too good at it), I don't hate
you Amy, I think you're a **** - it's not quite the same thing. Ask anybody.

Now, forget all that ad hom and read/skim this surprisingly crumpled
brochure (for free, no fees will be paid) referring to one of the 'dodgy
mics' I've got on Fleabay atm:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GAP01.jpg

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/showntell/GAP02.jpg


If I publish those links on the auction do you think it would:

A) Make people more inclined to buy the mic.

B) Make people more inclined to bugger off and buy a different mic on
another auction?

??

Remember, this is not an offer of a contract....

;-)