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"Eiron"
Ian Iveson wrote:

Anyway, on your substantial point, how old is the currently prevalent
view that CD audio is as close to perfect as makes no difference? Seems
to me "improved" chips continue to appear periodically, and some of these
improvements are presumably related to accuracy. So at what point in this
history did these improvements become indiscernable?

Sometime in the late eighties.


** No improvement in the audio quality of D to As for use with CD players
that matters has occurred since 1982.

All claims to the contrary are fake.


...... Phil

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"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
...


Not for much longer, you'll be happy to know. It's an attitude arising
from low relative prices for consumer goods.

The costs that technology roll back generally never return.

Soon, Americans won't be the only people to find themselves darning their
socks.

You're dreaming.

God knows what'll happen when all these mobile phones start breaking down
and no-one can afford new ones.

They are getting even cheaper for a given level of functionality.

Anyway, on your substantial point, how old is the currently prevalent view
that CD audio is as close to perfect as makes no difference?

How old is the CD format?

Seems to me "improved" chips continue to appear periodically, and some of
these improvements are presumably related to accuracy.

You presume wrong.

So at what point in this history did these improvements become
indiscernable?

Compared to the whopping amounts of noise and distortion that were
previously accepted when they came from analog media, from day one.

In fact a well-run DBT will show slight audible deficiencies in the first
generation players, particularly the CDP 101.

AFAIK, infatuation with the TDA1541 is because it's used in equipment that
sounds particularly good in the opinion of some people.

It's all about hype, profiteering, sentimentality, and sighted evaluations.

Chunky chip, too, which is handy for DIYers. I guess those people would be
prepared to accept that they may not measure too well, but they don't
care.

Like I said, all about hype, profiteering, sentimentality, and sighted
evaluations.

I wonder if Arny was here, at the time, to tell everone that it really
didn't matter, because in XYB tests no-one could tell the difference.

It is their gun, their bullet, their toes.

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On 09/03/2010 12:27, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Ian wrote in message
...


Not for much longer, you'll be happy to know. It's an attitude arising
from low relative prices for consumer goods.

The costs that technology roll back generally never return.

Soon, Americans won't be the only people to find themselves darning their
socks.

You're dreaming.

God knows what'll happen when all these mobile phones start breaking down
and no-one can afford new ones.

They are getting even cheaper for a given level of functionality.


It could be suggested that they're getting more expensive - natural
resources, social costs, environmental damage. But I see where you're
coming from - cheap for you.

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"Rob" wrote in message
m...
On 09/03/2010 12:27, Arny Krueger wrote:
"Ian wrote in message
...


Not for much longer, you'll be happy to know. It's an attitude arising
from low relative prices for consumer goods.

The costs that technology roll back generally never return.

Soon, Americans won't be the only people to find themselves darning
their
socks.

You're dreaming.

God knows what'll happen when all these mobile phones start breaking
down
and no-one can afford new ones.

They are getting even cheaper for a given level of functionality.

It could be suggested that they're getting more expensive - natural
resources, social costs, environmental damage. But I see where you're
coming from - cheap for you.

Or, you could step back and look at the *big* picture. By selling the
American people on the idea of obsessing over their cell phones instead of
their SUVs, people who used to buy a new SUV every year, now buy a new cell
phone every 6 months. Then there are the people who used to buy a new house
every 2 years!

Think I'm making this up? Look what is happening to home and SUV sales
versus cell phone sales in the US!

I'll leave it to you to figure out the difference in terms of the resources
you listed... ;-)

The scary thing is that I know people whose minds work like that...

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Eiron wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

**Irrelevant. Your claim, here and elsewhere, is that the TDA1541 is
'audibly perfect'. Therefore, given the inherent quality of the
device being repaired, it makes perfect sense to spend a reasonable
amount to service it. The American attitude, as typified by your
comments, is to chuck it out, rather than service it. That, in part,
is what is wrong with our society today.

It's always puzzled me why you write 'service' when you mean 'repair'.
Is that an Australian thing? Or a psychological trick to persuade the
punters
to spend more on a repair than it would cost to buy something newer
and better?

**Nothing of the sort. Here in Australia, we use English as it was intended.
Here is a dictionary definition of the word:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/service

Over here servicing is topping up the oil on a Garrard 401
or adjusting the bias current and offset voltage on a Linsley Hood.

**The English do not necessarily understand how to use their own language.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:54:41 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


**Nothing of the sort. Here in Australia, we use English as it was intended.
Here is a dictionary definition of the word:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/service

Over here servicing is topping up the oil on a Garrard 401
or adjusting the bias current and offset voltage on a Linsley Hood.

**The English do not necessarily understand how to use their own language.


That is the usual rather unhelpful dictionary definition.

In normal usage, Service refers to routine maintenance performed to a
schedule. Repair is an ad hoc event, setting right a fault. Some
repair may occur during a service, but that will be the exception
rather than the rule.

When I have my car serviced, the brakes and oil are changed and other
consumable parts are inspected. If something goes wrong during normal
use, I send it for repair, not a service. The repair is a specific
task.

d

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"Arny Krueger"


In fact a well-run DBT will show slight audible deficiencies in the first
generation players, particularly the CDP 101.

** Blatant LIE about the Sony CDP101 !!

Proved Arny WRONG on this one, many times.

His FAKE proof involves a MONO signal test.

ROTFLMAO !!


..... Phil

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"Don Pearce"

"TW"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/service


**The English do not necessarily understand how to use their own language.


That is the usual rather unhelpful dictionary definition.


** Helps anyone who is NOT and congenital autistic ****wit like YOU are.

See defs #28 and #32.

****WIT !!


In normal usage, Service refers to routine maintenance performed to a
schedule. Repair is an ad hoc event, setting right a fault. Some
repair may occur during a service, but that will be the exception
rather than the rule.

** Then there is the use of the SAME word used as a verb or adjective:

Egs: " service technician ", " service workshop " and the phrase "sales
and service" in relation to electronic goods - all of which are widely used
in the UK.



..... Phil

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On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:14:25 +1100, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


"Don Pearce"

"TW"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/service


**The English do not necessarily understand how to use their own language.


That is the usual rather unhelpful dictionary definition.


** Helps anyone who is NOT and congenital autistic ****wit like YOU are.

See defs #28 and #32.

****WIT !!


In normal usage, Service refers to routine maintenance performed to a
schedule. Repair is an ad hoc event, setting right a fault. Some
repair may occur during a service, but that will be the exception
rather than the rule.

** Then there is the use of the SAME word used as a verb or adjective:

Egs: " service technician ", " service workshop " and the phrase "sales
and service" in relation to electronic goods - all of which are widely used
in the UK.



.... Phil




What you fail to understand is that what you write is not important
enough to notice.

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Don Pearce Autistic MORON
 

"Don Pearce Autistic MORON "
"TW"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/service


**The English do not necessarily understand how to use their own language.


That is the usual rather unhelpful dictionary definition.


** Helps anyone who is NOT and congenital autistic ****wit like YOU are.

See defs #28 and #32.

****WIT !!


In normal usage, Service refers to routine maintenance performed to a
schedule. Repair is an ad hoc event, setting right a fault. Some
repair may occur during a service, but that will be the exception
rather than the rule.

** Then there is the use of the SAME word used as a verb or adjective:

Egs: " service technician ", " service workshop " and the phrase "sales
and service" in relation to electronic goods - all of which are widely used
in the UK.



..... Phil