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David Looser wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote
And as for the "we saved you" nonsense, no, that won't do at all.

That's part of the "American myth", the idea that the USA was the cavalry
rushing in to save Europe from the Nazis. It is, of course, bunkum.

The
USA joined both wars on its own terms, and for its own reasons.
"Saving" us was not one of them.

To be fair I think it was *one* of them. But principally the USA joined WW2
(almost 2 years late!) because it was, itself, under attack.
And finally, it is Australian usage, not American that is under
discussion here.


Maybe the Americans also say "service" when they mean "repair"? Come to that
what's wrong with the good old-fashioned word "mend"?

The OED says that 'service' in this context is an American term.
So Arny should have the last word on the subject.

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"Eiron" wrote in message
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David Looser wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote
And as for the "we saved you" nonsense, no, that won't do at all.

That's part of the "American myth", the idea that the USA was the cavalry
rushing in to save Europe from the Nazis. It is, of course, bunkum.

The
USA joined both wars on its own terms, and for its own reasons.
"Saving" us was not one of them.

To be fair I think it was *one* of them. But principally the USA joined
WW2 (almost 2 years late!) because it was, itself, under attack.
And finally, it is Australian usage, not American that is under
discussion here.


Maybe the Americans also say "service" when they mean "repair"? Come to
that what's wrong with the good old-fashioned word "mend"?

The OED says that 'service' in this context is an American term.

**Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary:

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/service?view=uk

Nor the (Australian) Macquarie Dictionary (not available free on line).

So Arny should have the last word on the subject.

**Or you could understand the correct usage of the term 'service' in the
context implied in all the dictionary definitions supplied to you.


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"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary:

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/service?view=uk

Spot the word "routine" in that definition.

In English English "service" is routine maintenance, NOT the repair of
something that has failed. However much you seem to wish it otherwise.


David.

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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary:

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/service?view=uk

Spot the word "routine" in that definition.

In English English "service" is routine maintenance, NOT the repair of
something that has failed. However much you seem to wish it otherwise.


Actually there is other point. If you call repair "servicing", how do you
distinguish that from actual servicing?

David.

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:00:35 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


If we wouldn't have jumped into either war, much of Europe would be under
German control, which seems to have happened anyway... ;-)

I don't understand your use of the word "wouldn't" in this context. It
is a conditional without benefit of a condition. Do you mean "if we
hadn't"?

Anyway it's crap. US involvement in WW1 was not critical to the outcome.

Whilst the conclusion that "much of Europe would be under German control"
after WW2 is sheer speculation. Hitler had shown himself to be his own worst
enemy as a military commander. He made a thoroughly unwise decision to
invade Russia (after having failed to gain air superiority over Britain, a
significant German failure suffered *before* the US entered the war) which
resulted in a Russian invasion of Germany. Under those circumstances a
continuing German conquest over more than France and the Benelux countries
(at most) seems highly unlikely.

David.

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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**Not according to the Oxford English Dictionary:

http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/service?view=uk

Spot the word "routine" in that definition.

In English English "service" is routine maintenance, NOT the repair of
something that has failed. However much you seem to wish it otherwise.


Actually there is other point. If you call repair "servicing", how do you
distinguish that from actual servicing?

**As can be seen from the dictionary definitions I have already supplied,
the two terms are interchangable.


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"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**As can be seen from the dictionary definitions I have already supplied,
the two terms are interchangable.


That was my point. *IF* the two terms are interchangeable you introduce an
unnecessary element of ambiguity. In England the two terms have clear,
distinct meanings, I see no point in muddling them up.

David.

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"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**As can be seen from the dictionary definitions I have already supplied,
the two terms are interchangable.


That was my point. *IF* the two terms are interchangeable you introduce an
unnecessary element of ambiguity. In England the two terms have clear,
distinct meanings, I see no point in muddling them up.

**I supplied an Oxford English Dictionary definition, for those who regard
such a tome as the ultimate reference.


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On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:05:38 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**As can be seen from the dictionary definitions I have already supplied,
the two terms are interchangable.


That was my point. *IF* the two terms are interchangeable you introduce an
unnecessary element of ambiguity. In England the two terms have clear,
distinct meanings, I see no point in muddling them up.

**I supplied an Oxford English Dictionary definition, for those who regard
such a tome as the ultimate reference.

It isn't. Dictionaries are what they have always been - a rough guide
including many words that are peripherally related rather than
synonymous.. The ultimate arbiter is current British usage. Of course
in news groups that begin with aus. or us. you may follow whatever
perversions of the language are current in those countries, but here
it is British English.

d

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In article , Don Pearce
scribeth thus
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:05:38 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"David Looser" wrote in message
...
"Trevor Wilson" wrote

**As can be seen from the dictionary definitions I have already supplied,
the two terms are interchangable.


That was my point. *IF* the two terms are interchangeable you introduce an
unnecessary element of ambiguity. In England the two terms have clear,
distinct meanings, I see no point in muddling them up.

**I supplied an Oxford English Dictionary definition, for those who regard
such a tome as the ultimate reference.

It isn't. Dictionaries are what they have always been - a rough guide
including many words that are peripherally related rather than
synonymous.. The ultimate arbiter is current British usage. Of course
in news groups that begin with aus. or us. you may follow whatever
perversions of the language are current in those countries,


but here
it is British English.

d

English English, if you please Mr Pearce;)...
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