"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
The world of broadcasting is rather larger than Iain's one...

Indeed. But your particular sector of broadcasting, drama is
considerably smaller, and probably uses simpler techniques
than in music broadcasting, so it is not surprising if you have
little experience of the kind of effects used in popular music
recording.

Lots of 'probables' there, Iain. Don't hypothesise on things you know
little about. Adding and matching acoustics is a major part of drama
dubbing, and a decent suite will have every device known to man...

With equipment short-term rental being so cheap these
days, any special requirements are just a phone call away.
It doesn't make good economic sense for any commercial
company to own every device known to man.

But maybe in the case of facilities built with the tax
payers' money, anything goes:-)

But as David has already pointed out, the effects we
are talking about here have nothing to do with matching
or adding an acoustic. They are artificial effects
pure and simple. I even used the word contrived.


Iain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Geoff Mackenzie wrote:
You can make perfectly respectable copies of an LP using analogue -
assuming you have a half decent sound card on your PC. Arny is
somewhat of an expert on these and is more likely to be up to date on
what's available than me. Nor do you really need any sophisticated
software. Unless you intend trying to 'clean' things up. Which I never
bother with.

Dave - you've sort of answered a question I hadn't asked yet! I'm
looking to store all my LPs on a standalone device - see response to
Jim -; in spite of a record cleaning machine there are still the
occasional pops (no scratches). Was thinking of interposing something
like a a Behringer; not worth it? Would it degrade the sound in any
way?

I'm really not the best person to ask. I'm happy enough with just a
straight copy of an LP to CD - plops 'n' all. I just 'top and tail' the
WAVE file. I also usually use this old Acorn rather than the PC - I have
an external A-D convertor that feeds the digital input on the sound card.
Which gives better noise performance than the analogue inputs. However,
decent analogue input sound cards can be bought quite cheaply for a PC.

Do you vacuum clean the LPs before hand?. That makes a huge difference.
It is not really much more work to do a wet transfer, which gives a marked
improvement. You can make a note of any clicks during the transfer and
then edit them out on the PC.

I prefer to remove surface noise by cleaning before the
transfer than snipping afterwards.

Maybe it's luck, but I have never come across the "rifle shots"
that people used to talk about so often on this group.

Iain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
David Looser wrote:
It seems probable that the decline in sparrow numbers is mainly due to
changes in farming practices, though there may well be a number of other
contributing factors.

As I keep on saying, they disappeared near totally in a very short time
round here after being by far the most numerous bird species. Far more
common in an urban garden etc than even pigeons. Farming practices don't
change that quickly - nor are there any near here.

The number of cats has probably not increased that
dramatically either. So what can be the reason?

Iain

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Lots of 'probables' there, Iain. Don't hypothesise on things you know
little about. Adding and matching acoustics is a major part of drama
dubbing, and a decent suite will have every device known to man...

With equipment short-term rental being so cheap these
days, any special requirements are just a phone call away.
It doesn't make good economic sense for any commercial
company to own every device known to man.

Yet again you've shown no understanding of my work. Dubbing these days has
to be a fast process. It's the very last stage of the programme
production. Any facility needed must be available there and then - time is
too precious to be hanging around waiting for a delivered by a hire
company. Obviously very different from the things you have any experience
of.

For actual studio or location recording you may well rely on hired
equipment since it's more likely you can anticipate the need or not.
Dubbing is a different discipline.

But maybe in the case of facilities built with the tax
payers' money, anything goes:-)

Thought you've mentioned doing lots of work for what amounts to be
government subsidised - in other countries?

No matter - I'm referring to commercial operations. In one such - perhaps
following your peculiar notions - they didn't provide a DigiBeta in the
dubbing suite (for a prog mastered on that). Saying it could be hired in
as necessary. After the first month's statement from the hire company, a
permanent one appeared by magic.

But as David has already pointed out, the effects we
are talking about here have nothing to do with matching
or adding an acoustic. They are artificial effects
pure and simple. I even used the word contrived.

It would be a very confident person who said no particular acoustic
existed in real life. If you'd ever tried matching real acoustics as you
do in dubbing, you'd realise just how varied they are.

--
*Wedding dress for sale. Worn once by mistake.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Maybe it's luck, but I have never come across the "rifle shots"
that people used to talk about so often on this group.

Often caused by mistracking. The stylus actually jumps in the groove.

--
*Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
As I keep on saying, they disappeared near totally in a very short
time round here after being by far the most numerous bird species. Far
more common in an urban garden etc than even pigeons. Farming
practices don't change that quickly - nor are there any near here.

The number of cats has probably not increased that
dramatically either. So what can be the reason?

My guess would be something like a virus. But I'm surprised it was never
confirmed. Almost like some form of conspiracy.

--
*A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab centre said: 'Keep off the Grass*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
As I keep on saying, they disappeared near totally in a very short
time round here after being by far the most numerous bird species. Far
more common in an urban garden etc than even pigeons. Farming
practices don't change that quickly - nor are there any near here.

The number of cats has probably not increased that
dramatically either. So what can be the reason?

My guess would be something like a virus. But I'm surprised it was never
confirmed. Almost like some form of conspiracy.


A conspiracy! wow, why would there be a "conspiracy" to hide the true cause
of the decline of sparrows?

But your initial argument, that a rapid decline cannot be caused by a
relatively slow change in farming practices doesn't really stand up.
Populations can crash when the increasing stresses just tip the species into
the point where it cannot maintain it's population level.

David.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Geoff Mackenzie wrote:
You can make perfectly respectable copies of an LP using analogue -
assuming you have a half decent sound card on your PC. Arny is
somewhat of an expert on these and is more likely to be up to date on
what's available than me. Nor do you really need any sophisticated
software. Unless you intend trying to 'clean' things up. Which I never
bother with.

Dave - you've sort of answered a question I hadn't asked yet! I'm
looking to store all my LPs on a standalone device - see response to
Jim -; in spite of a record cleaning machine there are still the
occasional pops (no scratches). Was thinking of interposing something
like a a Behringer; not worth it? Would it degrade the sound in any
way?

I'm really not the best person to ask. I'm happy enough with just a
straight copy of an LP to CD - plops 'n' all. I just 'top and tail' the
WAVE file. I also usually use this old Acorn rather than the PC - I have
an external A-D convertor that feeds the digital input on the sound card.
Which gives better noise performance than the analogue inputs. However,
decent analogue input sound cards can be bought quite cheaply for a PC.

Do you vacuum clean the LPs before hand?. That makes a huge difference.
It is not really much more work to do a wet transfer, which gives a marked
improvement. You can make a note of any clicks during the transfer and
then edit them out on the PC.

I prefer to remove surface noise by cleaning before the
transfer than snipping afterwards.

Maybe it's luck, but I have never come across the "rifle shots"
that people used to talk about so often on this group.


Lack of proper (vacuum) cleaning is what causes a lot of people to comment
on the 'rice crispies' sound they get when playing vinyl.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Geoff Mackenzie" wrote in
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Dave - you've sort of answered a question I hadn't asked
yet! I'm looking to store all my LPs on a standalone
device - see response to Jim -; in spite of a record
cleaning machine there are still the occasional pops (no
scratches). Was thinking of interposing something like a
a Behringer; not worth it? Would it degrade the sound
in any way?

Behringer de-clicker or de-popper?

Do tell! Google and the Behringer web site come up empty for me.

Virtually 100% of all corrective processing of LPs is done using some kind
of computer software, whether it runs on a workstation, Apple, or PC.

What Behringer does provide is good, economical computer audio interfaces.


Try http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UFO202.aspx

Geoff

"David Looser" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
As I keep on saying, they disappeared near totally in a very short
time round here after being by far the most numerous bird species. Far
more common in an urban garden etc than even pigeons. Farming
practices don't change that quickly - nor are there any near here.

The number of cats has probably not increased that
dramatically either. So what can be the reason?

My guess would be something like a virus. But I'm surprised it was never
confirmed. Almost like some form of conspiracy.


A conspiracy! wow, why would there be a "conspiracy" to hide the true
cause of the decline of sparrows?

But your initial argument, that a rapid decline cannot be caused by a
relatively slow change in farming practices doesn't really stand up.
Populations can crash when the increasing stresses just tip the species
into the point where it cannot maintain it's population level.


I think in bird terms the last two or three decades of the development of
farming practices are probably quite quick but the thing is that if birds
can't find a food supply they won't raise young.