"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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: In article ,
: Jerry wrote:
: : 'The same hardware' as used for radial circuits is not
suitable
: for final
: : ring circuits. As I keep saying, you need to learn some
: fundamentals
: : instead of making a fool of yourself.
: :
:
: Hmm, if correct then every spur off a ring circuit is
breaking
: the regs!
:
: You obviously haven't read them. And certainly don't understand
the basics.
:

So you keep saying Pet, so do tell us all the diffeance between a
BS1363 socket outlet and a, err, BS 1363 socket outlet?

But in reality it is you who is the one that doesn't seem to
understand the regs, you are the one who is obviously getting
mixed up between a permitted socket outlet on a radial circuit
that doesn't need to have 'additional protection' (RCDs) and
those sockets installed on a ring circuit that should have
'additional protection' (RCDs), apart from the protection at the
panel the hardware is the same (bar some required labelling that
can be added upon installation).

In article , David Looser
writes

BTW did anyone here ever come across the alternative design for a UK fused
plug? I only met one once, it had round pins and looked fairly similar to
the old 15A plug, but the live pin *was* the fuse.

'Waco' or 'Wago' plug, I think. The problem was that the live pin-cum-
fuse tended to unscrew from the plug body and stay in the socket when
the plug was pulled. Not exactly safe...

The fuse had a threaded
stud on one end and simply screwed into the face of the plug to form the
live pin.

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In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice writes


Just counted up how many double 13A sockets we've just put into the
refurbished *half* of this place: 38. That makes for one helluva fuse
board if each was a radial...

Seen American consumer units? Huge, ugly things, bit like the Americans
themselves :-)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ricalPanel.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...8GE%29Breakerp
anelInnards.jpg


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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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: In article ,
: Jerry wrote:
: You still can run more that three 3Kw electric fires off each
: ring circuit, thus how many of these sockets are for power
and
: how many are basically going to be over spec floor/table
lighting
: points[1]?
:
: All you have in your place is electric fires and table lamps?
Explains it
: all.
:

Only an idiot or a troll would take what I said in such a way,
anyone with a brain cell would have understood that I was
commenting on total loading of each ring circuit (of course you
needed to cut the context to make your trolling work).

Anyway, even if one does take what I said literally, it would be
very common should a central heating fault occur for just about
any family household to wish to use such a number and rating of
electric fire, especially in the sort of weather the UK had last
winter and with is the norm in Canada and the northern states of
the US. Easy enough to do with radial circuits, a pain (if not
impossible) to do so with ring circuits if the diversification
calculations have not taken such a need into account with the
ring circuit(s) were being installed.

But then perhaps it is Plowman who lives in the one room hovel,
and thus would never (ever) have any need for more than one
electric fire...

In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice scribeth thus
On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:32:50 -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Just counted up how many double 13A sockets we've just put into
the
refurbished *half* of this place: 38. That makes for one helluva
fuse
board if each was a radial... They are split over four rings as it
is.

Are you really that stupid, or do you just play a fool on Usenet?
The US National Electrical Code is online. It goes into great detail
about what can and can not be done. Read it, and see if you can learn
anything.

Can't be arsed to read the regs of a forgien country, we have enough
of our own. You are over there and presumably know them so how many
breakers would be required for 38 double sockets in the US?


Anyone here ever known of a problem or fire with a UK ring main other
then stupid people doing really stupid things like they could do on ANY
system?..

I've never come across one ever in the last 50 odd years...
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"Paul Ratcliffe" wrote in message
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:32:50 -0500, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:


Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 12:40:57 -0500, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

The NEC requires an outlet every 10 feet along a wall, and all
materials have to be UL approved. Now for your next lies?

Just counted up how many double 13A sockets we've just put into the
refurbished *half* of this place: 38. That makes for one helluva fuse
board if each was a radial... They are split over four rings as it
is.


Are you really that stupid, or do you just play a fool on Usenet?
The US National Electrical Code is online. It goes into great detail
about what can and can not be done. Read it, and see if you can learn
anything.

**** off Yank. Patronising *******s aren't you?

As a Yank, I agree with you, Paul. Asking someone to read the US National
Electrical Code in order to answer their own casual questions is like asking
them to read the U.S. Tax code for the same purpose. If you understand even
the basics about either, you are most likely a highly trained professional.

In article ,
Ron wrote:
The UK '13amp' plug top accepts fuses rated to suit the appliance. 13
amps is the maximum.

Strictly speaking the fuse is only to protect the flex. If the appliance
itself needs to be protected it will have its own fuse or thermal circuit
breaker, etc. Ie the same as if fed from an unfused plug as in most
countries.

You may have noticed that flex sizes have become more uniform recently -
all are now capable of blowing a 13 amps fuse in the plug regardless in
event of a short. As it seems using the correct fuse in a plug is beyond
most.

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"Jerry" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
: In article ,
: Jerry wrote:
: Yes pet, a 15amp breaker has the same rating as 30amp breaker
if
: you say so... One is far more likely to have an appliance
lead
: that is rated at 15A, even for appliances that have internal
1amp
: fuses, rather than such an appliance having a lead that one
could
: run a domestic -four ring, grill and oven- cooker off...
:
: Thanks for confirming we can add flex ratings to the things you
know
: nothing about.
:

Yes of course pet! Plowman, you really should stop talking about
your own failing all the time, if you really do think that you
can run a 3Kw(+) electric cooker off a 200w lighting cable...


You can do that, just not for long! ;-)

In article ,
Jerry wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
: In article ,
: Jerry wrote:
: Yes pet, a 15amp breaker has the same rating as 30amp breaker
if
: you say so... One is far more likely to have an appliance
lead
: that is rated at 15A, even for appliances that have internal
1amp
: fuses, rather than such an appliance having a lead that one
could
: run a domestic -four ring, grill and oven- cooker off...
:
: Thanks for confirming we can add flex ratings to the things you
know
: nothing about.
:

Yes of course pet! Plowman, you really should stop talking about
your own failing all the time, if you really do think that you
can run a 3Kw(+) electric cooker off a 200w lighting cable...

Isn't that what you do, with a nail for the fuse?

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In article ,
Jerry wrote:
: You are allowed to add spurs within the regs, but why is it so
much more
: difficult to simply add a socket properly to the ring?
:

Because it adds an extra mechanical joint to the that is not
necessary to the circuit, more than likely hidden

Only in your twisted mind.

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