Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!
Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".

I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?

Unprotected sex leading to unwanted pregnancies is immoral.

Bill

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:48:58 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:

(Why do [some] people insist on using that term - anal - for other
people who want to know something they don't, or similar? I find it
unpleasant. And no, I'm not one of those referred to in this case.)

It makes them think they are superior.
That's Plowman all over. He thinks he is superior. He isn't of course.

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:26:30 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!
Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".

I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?

Unprotected sex leading to unwanted pregnancies is immoral.


Inconvenient, not immoral.

d

Ian Jackson wrote:

The word, of course, should have been 'morale'. I'm sure that, even
during the war, British morals remained impeccable!


After a week of not sleeping more than a few hours a nght, I really
don't care about an ocassional typo. Try it sometime, laying in bed in
pain all night and never going to sleep.


TV broadcasting didn't resume until 1946 - a year after VE Day.

After the war, it took a long time for life in Britain to get back
normal. We were constantly being reminded of austerity and deprivation.
For example, lots of things were rationed, and de-rationing didn't begin
until 1948. I believe that certain things which has escaped rationing
during the war were actually rationed after it ended. I remember sweets
coming 'off the ration' in 1953. Meat was the last, in 1954. In 1951, we
had the Festival of Britain, which was intended to boost both morale and
the economy, and a lavish coronation in 1953.

I expect that the resumption of the TV service with a Mickey Mouse
cartoon also helped to cheer us up - even though, at the time, it would
only be seen by a handful of people in the London area. It could be that
the urban legend which followed was actually more effective than the
broadcast itself.


--
You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

(Why do [some] people insist on using that term - anal - for other
people who want to know something they don't, or similar? I find it
unpleasant. And no, I'm not one of those referred to in this case.)

It has an honourable pedigree. Freud said that children who had problems
with toilet training developed certain personality traits which stayed
with them for life: obsessiveness, over-concern for detail, etc.

It also ties in with the issue of when to start toilet training.
Possibly starting too early can cause these problems.

Bill

David Looser wrote:

Indeed, I was going to ask J G Miller what he meant by "morals". Its
certainly the case that both World Wars created significant social change
including liberating women from many of the social restrictions that they
had previously suffered from. If J G Miller thinks that giving women more
independence equates to "morals deteriorating badly" then maybe he has a
point!

My dad says VD was a real problem amongst the troops.

Bill

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , J G Miller
writes
On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!

Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".

And, where still accessible, they probably also continued to be used for
immoral purposes for a long time after the war. And pillboxes.

There was a pillbox at Two Rivers Junction when I was a 'traffic control
officer' for Clugstons, and we took it over as our base.

Bill

In message , Bill Wright
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

(Why do [some] people insist on using that term - anal - for other
people who want to know something they don't, or similar? I find it
unpleasant. And no, I'm not one of those referred to in this case.)

It has an honourable pedigree. Freud said that children who had
problems with toilet training developed certain personality traits
which stayed with them for life: obsessiveness, over-concern for
detail, etc.

It also ties in with the issue of when to start toilet training.
Possibly starting too early can cause these problems.

Bill

Whether Freud is still valid is debatable, but anyway, I object to it in
the same way I object to the terms nerd and anorak, and probably many
others: the people who use it use it in a way that brooks no
disagreement, because anyone disagreeing becomes
anal/nerd/anorak/whatever themselves. Mockery seems to be an inevitable
human trait, but not an admirable one.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If it's pretentious, then at least it's not the sort that wears a horned helmet
and shrieks about trolls. - Stuart Maconie in Radio Times, 14-20 November 2009.

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 15:23:18h +0000, Bill Wright asked:

Isn't the purpose of reading a newspaper to have your ideas
challenged, and to learn of new things?

So how come you do not buy a copy of Socialist Worker if you want
your ideas challenged?

http://www.socialistworker.co.UK/

(caution: Trotskyism)

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:26:30 +0000, Bill Wright
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:42:41 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller
wrote:

On Saturday, February 11th, 2012, at 08:57:40h +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that, even during the war, British morals remained impeccable!
Actually, and not surprisingly, you will find that morals in the
UKofGB&NI deteroriated badly during the war.

In Ipswich in 1943, an increasing number of complaints were received
about air raid shelters being used for “immoral purposes".
I don't suppose they were any good for much else. And since when was
sex immoral?
Unprotected sex leading to unwanted pregnancies is immoral.


Inconvenient, not immoral.

No it's immoral because the purpose of morality is to establish a
framework that hopefully provides the greatest happiness and well-being
for as many people as possible. I'm well aware that many official
moralities are so seriously perverted that these aims are ignored, but
that's irrelevant to what I'm saying.

Unprotected heterosexual sex is likely to lead to unplanned pregnancies
or abortions. Now surely I don't have to spell out why these events are
likely to reduce the total sum of human happiness?

Other immoral things:
1. Telling people things are immoral because of your own twisted ideas
or sexual hang ups (religious leaders mainly do this one).
2. Drinking and driving.
3. Skiving.
4. Parking in disabled bays when you aren't.
5. Smoking.
6. Selling unnecessary aerials to poor people under the pretext of DSO.
7. Messing around on newsgroups when you've got work to do.
8. Violence.
9. Socialism.

Bill