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Dave Plowman (News) August 28th 16 12:04 PM

An interesting concept
 
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Hmm. Pretty well known that things recorded on headphones will only
sound their best when listened to on headphones.


Indeed. They say the same about Tannoys:-)


Do they? It's a very long time since I've seen Tannoy or Tannoy based
speakers used as monitors in a serious studio. Except where a client
demands them.

They certainly had some good points, but neutrality was never one.

--
*Confession is good for the soul, but bad for your career.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) August 28th 16 12:07 PM

An interesting concept
 
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
And if he his looking for pop work, can't think of any client who
would be happy with only this.


How can you know until you discuss it with them?


It's an informed guess.

I think many will be intrigued by such an
innovative idea.


I'd hope he's already researched the idea before spending vast sums on it.

Of course I wish him luck. But he wouldn't be the first to blow redundancy
money on untested ideas.

--
*Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Phil Allison[_3_] August 28th 16 12:28 PM

A interesting concept
 
Dave Plowman ( Nutcase ) wrote:


Hmm. Pretty well known that things recorded on headphones will only
sound their best when listened to on headphones.


** Only well known to lunatics like the Plowmaniac.



Some 40 years of actually balancing sound for a living tells me different.



** Do the demonic voices in your head say that to you - Dave ??

While you are sleeping or awake - or is it both ?



I am reminded of the advertising campaign used by JBL for several years
where they claimed that since the majority of US pop/jazz music studios
used JBL monitors in their for control rooms - it was only logical to
use JBL brand speakers in your home, in order to hear the sound as the
engineers intended.


There is also some truth in that.



** There is not one, tiny bit of truth in it.

For the record:

Dave Nutcase is a revolting pile of narcissistic, pommy puke.

On a good day, that is....



..... Phil

Iain Churches[_2_] August 28th 16 12:47 PM

An interesting concept
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
And if he his looking for pop work, can't think of any client who
would be happy with only this.


How can you know until you discuss it with them?


It's an informed guess.


I thought so:-)))

I think many will be intrigued by such an
innovative idea.


I'd hope he's already researched the idea before spending vast sums on it.


You can be sure of that. The investment comes from
venture capital (about half from the UK)

Of course I wish him luck. But he wouldn't be the first to blow redundancy
money on untested ideas.


He can still push the octagonal platform into a corner, and have a carpenter
build prefabricated walls, three with windows, and a roof, and put his B+W
speakers up if required.

But I don't think it will be necessary, he business plan is sound.
(No pun intended)

Iain



Dave Plowman (News) August 28th 16 02:04 PM

A interesting concept
 
In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
Dave Plowman ( Nutcase ) wrote:


Hmm. Pretty well known that things recorded on headphones will only
sound their best when listened to on headphones.


** Only well known to lunatics like the Plowmaniac.



Some 40 years of actually balancing sound for a living tells me
different.



** Do the demonic voices in your head say that to you - Dave ??


That from the Oz nutcase most will only remember from the wobblies he's
thrown on here...


Pet, if you've not got anything useful to contribute to a discussion, why
waste the bandwidth?

--
*He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) August 28th 16 02:13 PM

An interesting concept
 
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
And if he his looking for pop work, can't think of any client who
would be happy with only this.


How can you know until you discuss it with them?


It's an informed guess.


I thought so:-)))


Should add I discussed the idea with a pretty experienced keyboards
player/composer. Who confirmed that guess. ;-)

I think many will be intrigued by such an
innovative idea.


I'd hope he's already researched the idea before spending vast sums on
it.


You can be sure of that. The investment comes from venture capital
(about half from the UK)


All with no ties?

Of course I wish him luck. But he wouldn't be the first to blow
redundancy money on untested ideas.


He can still push the octagonal platform into a corner, and have a
carpenter build prefabricated walls, three with windows, and a roof, and
put his B+W speakers up if required.


I'd expect rather more than a carpenter needed to construct a decent
control room.

But I don't think it will be necessary, he business plan is sound. (No
pun intended)


I do wish him success. Sadly the recording studio business is rather
fickle.

--
*I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't care.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Phil Allison[_3_] August 28th 16 02:14 PM

A interesting concept
 
Dave Plowmaniac (Nutcase Psycho) wrote:



Hmm. Pretty well known that things recorded on headphones will only
sound their best when listened to on headphones.


** Only well known to lunatics like the Plowmaniac.


Some 40 years of actually balancing sound for a living tells me
different.



** Do the demonic voices in your head say that to you - Dave ??



That from the Oz nutcase most will only remember from the wobblies he's
thrown on here...


Pet,


** Forget being clever with me, you asinine pile of pommy excreta.

Your putrid stench reaches all the way to Australia.

Kindly FOAD.


..... Phil

Dave Plowman (News) August 28th 16 02:24 PM

A interesting concept
 
In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
That from the Oz nutcase most will only remember from the wobblies he's
thrown on here...


Pet,


** Forget being clever with me, you asinine pile of pommy excreta.

Your putrid stench reaches all the way to Australia.


Thanks for confirming my point.

You are just sooooooooooooooo predictable.

--
*What was the best thing before sliced bread? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Phil Allison[_3_] August 29th 16 05:11 AM

An interesting concept
 
Iain Churches wrote:


Yes I remember that too. Clever advertising, and
by all accounts successful. A lot of people bought
the JBL Century 100's for home use.


** That would have to be a lot of Americans who bought them.

Back in the early 70s, I worked briefly for a store in Sydney that sold electronic components, kits for magazine projects and a couple of speaker kits.

One of these happened to be the KEF kit 3 containing the drivers and crossover needed for a KEF Concerto, minus box. Particle board boxes were also available as pre-cut kits.

A built pair kits was on constant demo, A-B switched with a pair of JBL L100s with their bright orange front grilles - see pic:

http://product-images.highwire.com/8593684/2748-2.jpg

Despite a price difference of more than 2:1, the JBLs sounded very poor, " thick and coloured like tomato soup" was one comment and with remarkably little bass. The store sold many KEF kit 3s and no JBLs on the basis of that demo while I was there.

I bought a pair of KEF kit 3s then too, later improving them with rebuilt crossovers plus massively deadened the cabinets. Sold them a couple of years on at a small profit, after buying a second hand pair of ESL57s.

I kept them for nearly 30 years.


..... Phil

Woody[_4_] August 29th 16 08:05 AM

An interesting concept
 

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
Iain Churches wrote:


Yes I remember that too. Clever advertising, and
by all accounts successful. A lot of people bought
the JBL Century 100's for home use.


** That would have to be a lot of Americans who bought them.

Back in the early 70s, I worked briefly for a store in Sydney that
sold electronic components, kits for magazine projects and a couple
of speaker kits.

One of these happened to be the KEF kit 3 containing the drivers and
crossover needed for a KEF Concerto, minus box. Particle board boxes
were also available as pre-cut kits.

A built pair kits was on constant demo, A-B switched with a pair of
JBL L100s with their bright orange front grilles - see pic:

http://product-images.highwire.com/8593684/2748-2.jpg

Despite a price difference of more than 2:1, the JBLs sounded very
poor, " thick and coloured like tomato soup" was one comment and
with remarkably little bass. The store sold many KEF kit 3s and no
JBLs on the basis of that demo while I was there.

I bought a pair of KEF kit 3s then too, later improving them with
rebuilt crossovers plus massively deadened the cabinets. Sold them a
couple of years on at a small profit, after buying a second hand
pair of ESL57s.

I kept them for nearly 30 years.



A colleague of mine built a pair of transmission line cabinets using
the same kits based on the design published by Dr Arthur Bailey of
Bradford University in Wireless World in 1972. Whilst they were less
good at stereo imaging than many other (mostly two-way) designs they
produced a naturalness of sound that I have ever heard from any other
speaker save Quad ESLs and possibly one of the Philips MFB designs.

My colleague got married and moved into a terraced house where he did
not have the room for them so I bought them off him for £55 in about
1976 (the drive units alone were worth well over £100 retail) and we
kept them until my Management decided they were too big and had to go
somewhere in the early 90's. I was heartbroken and as I could not sell
them I removed the drive units and broke up the cabinets - I still
have those drivers boxed up in my (very dry) garage!

My F-in-L is an organist so there is a love of organ music around
here. I have never heard any speaker that can reproduce organ pedals -
particularly the reeds - with such clarity and realism. Real window
shakers at 10 paces from a 20W amp!

Since then I have had a pair of Spendor BC1's (still have them) and am
currently running a pair of KEF Q55's but neither were/are anywhere
near as pleasant and comfortable to listen to as those TL's.


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com




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