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Michael Kellett said:
Dave Plowman (News):

Quite. Can you imagine BMW - who own the Mini factory in the UK - having
to apply for a visa to send over an engineer to trouble shoot something
that crops up? Likewise with any such European organisation that have a
presence here.

Where does all this come from - why do you think we would impose visa
requirments on the EU - we don't on Norway, or the US etc etc. It is
entirely up to the UK (now) who, and under what conditions, we allow to
enter the country to sing, dance or make Minis. We have a long
(centuries) old tradition of allowing performers free access - why would
we stop ? Under EU rules we are obliged to sanction far more of the world
than we are outside them.

This thread /did/ start with the example of an orchestra that seems to think
it has valid reasons for concern on this, ahem, score.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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In article ,
Richard Robinson wrote:
Michael Kellett said:
Dave Plowman (News):

Quite. Can you imagine BMW - who own the Mini factory in the UK -
having to apply for a visa to send over an engineer to trouble shoot
something that crops up? Likewise with any such European organisation
that have a presence here.

Where does all this come from - why do you think we would impose visa
requirments on the EU - we don't on Norway, or the US etc etc. It is
entirely up to the UK (now) who, and under what conditions, we allow
to enter the country to sing, dance or make Minis. We have a long
(centuries) old tradition of allowing performers free access - why
would we stop ? Under EU rules we are obliged to sanction far more of
the world than we are outside them.

This thread /did/ start with the example of an orchestra that seems to
think it has valid reasons for concern on this, ahem, score.

If it weren't so sad it would be funny. The majority who voted have voted
out - to control immigration from the EU. To stop EU workers coming here
'taking our jobs' And 'depressing wages'. And using services 'they haven't
paid for'

Without much of a clue as to how this could be achieved in practice.

Perhaps they might say what alternatives there would be to a Visa, etc?
Let in anyone with 'musician' on their passport?

--
*Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have *

Dave Plowman London SW
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On 04/03/2017 16:28, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Richard Robinson wrote:
Michael Kellett said:
Dave Plowman (News):

Quite. Can you imagine BMW - who own the Mini factory in the UK -
having to apply for a visa to send over an engineer to trouble shoot
something that crops up? Likewise with any such European organisation
that have a presence here.

Where does all this come from - why do you think we would impose visa
requirments on the EU - we don't on Norway, or the US etc etc. It is
entirely up to the UK (now) who, and under what conditions, we allow
to enter the country to sing, dance or make Minis. We have a long
(centuries) old tradition of allowing performers free access - why
would we stop ? Under EU rules we are obliged to sanction far more of
the world than we are outside them.

This thread /did/ start with the example of an orchestra that seems to
think it has valid reasons for concern on this, ahem, score.

If it weren't so sad it would be funny. The majority who voted have voted
out - to control immigration from the EU. To stop EU workers coming here
'taking our jobs' And 'depressing wages'. And using services 'they haven't
paid for'

Without much of a clue as to how this could be achieved in practice.

Or even whether it was true in the first place.

--
Graeme Wall
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"RJH" wrote in message
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On 03/03/2017 23:56, tony sayer wrote:
In article , Richard
Robinson scribeth thus
Dave Plowman (News) said:
Don Pearce wrote:
On 3 Mar 2017 11:14:44 GMT, Huge wrote:
On 2017-03-03, Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 03 Mar 2017 01:09:42 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
In article ,
Woody wrote:
More likely the abundance of grey squirrels and magpies that steal
the eggs out of the nests - and not just sparrows.

That wouldn't explain the sparrows round here disappearing so
quickly. I assumed it was some sort of virus or whatever. And if it
were predators stealing eggs, why are there so many pigeons?

No, it's farmers. They have killed all the small insects which are
the sparrows' main food source.

In Central London, where Dave lives? Lots of farms there. Not.

Doesn't matter. The surrounding countryside is where the insects bred.
Do you have another explanation for the disappearance of flying
insects?

But other bird species didn't get wiped out so quickly. Do sparrows
have a
particular and picky diet? That would be odd for such a previously
successful species? In the average London garden they outnumbered all
others by a very large percentage.

It's a long time since I was in London - what's the pigeon population
like ?
Is it possible they're outcompeting other species for the food ? Or
seagulls
?

I think that domestic moggy's have a lot to do with it;(..

Makes sense to me, at least for my small garden.

Also, this issue of enticing/demise of small birds in urban gardens came
up on gardener's question time the other day - and at least one mentioned
cats as the single most significant cause.

No doubt true.

At home, our cat wears a collar with a bell,
and has given up trying to catch the birds.

At the summer cottage. he becomes a silent predator
and has a collar with just an identity disk, and catches
three or four a field mice or voles every day.

I have noticed that when there are plenty of voles,
moles etc, the numbers of owls and hawks increase
dramatically. In leaner years, when these birds have
less to eat, they too decrease in numbers, which
makes me think that Don's analysis of the situation
is correct.

Iain

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In article , Graeme Wall
writes:

Somewhere I read the average cat kills 2 birds a year, trouble is there
are around 20 million domestic moggies.

10.3 million, according to the lastest peer-reviewed paper.

--
Mike Fleming

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On Sat, 04 Mar 2017 19:19:29 +0000, Mike Fleming
wrote:

In article , Graeme Wall
writes:

Somewhere I read the average cat kills 2 birds a year, trouble is there
are around 20 million domestic moggies.

10.3 million, according to the lastest peer-reviewed paper.

That figure makes me think that the impact of cat predation on the
population is close to zero. In general the number of creatures an
area can support is in inverse proportion to their size. Sparrows are
minute.

d

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On 04/03/2017 19:19, Mike Fleming wrote:
In article , Graeme Wall
writes:

Somewhere I read the average cat kills 2 birds a year, trouble is there
are around 20 million domestic moggies.

10.3 million, according to the lastest peer-reviewed paper.

I'd doubled up already, obviously, that's 20 million birds a year

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Graeme Wall
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On Sat, 4 Mar 2017 19:36:54 +0000, Graeme Wall
wrote:

On 04/03/2017 19:19, Mike Fleming wrote:
In article , Graeme Wall
writes:

Somewhere I read the average cat kills 2 birds a year, trouble is there
are around 20 million domestic moggies.

10.3 million, according to the lastest peer-reviewed paper.

I'd doubled up already, obviously, that's 20 million birds a year

Still next to nothing.

d

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