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On 2017-04-07, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 07/04/17 08:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, it does not have to be that way. certainly back in 2000 r2 put out
a
Bee Gees concert with wonderful dynamic range and quality on DAB. Some
of
the concerts recorded for radio 1 in the 70s and 80s were very good
also,
but when more recently they have rebroadcast some of them they are
compressed to hell and back. I know this as I have high quality
recordings
from FM of the originals.
As I say, they need to decide what they are aiming for. Its not just
classical lovers who like good quality output.
The standards at the bbc have fallen to a new low and now I suspect
most
listeners would be astounded just how realistic and good so called pop
concerts can be.

Pop music was always second to classical with regard to funding (elitism
etc...), hence why the Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression to
cope with limited bandwidth, and now an unfortunate addiction to using
it from the industry - even for CDs FFS.

I would suggest that Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression was more
to
do with the "loudness wars" than limited bandwidth, especially since it
predates digital media.

A cigar for that man:-)

In pop music the public consider louder to be better.

Over the years, I have, on many occasions asked
listeners to choose between two identical mastered
mixes both peaking at -1dB FS but one of them
compressed 3dB. They perceive the compressed
version as louder, therefore better. Hardly anyone
notices that in every other respect the two are identical,
but somehow the vocal sound is better, and the solos
are fuller, and it sounds better in the car, and on the
kitchen radio..........

Iain

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On 07/04/17 15:03, Iain Churches wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message

I would suggest that Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression was more
to
do with the "loudness wars" than limited bandwidth, especially since it
predates digital media.

A cigar for that man:-)

In pop music the public consider louder to be better.


Making it sound punchier on AM radio was the beginning of that.

Radio 1 started in 1967. When did that get its own FM service?

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Adrian C

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On 07/04/17 15:03, Iain Churches wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message

I would suggest that Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression was
more
to
do with the "loudness wars" than limited bandwidth, especially since it
predates digital media.

A cigar for that man:-)

In pop music the public consider louder to be better.


Making it sound punchier on AM radio was the beginning of that.

Radio 1 started in 1967. When did that get its own FM service?

Louder is even more relevant now when most people
listen to music in their cars, or via earpods.

Also, the terms of reference are changing. People cosnsider
mp3 at 256Kb to be good, and 128 kb to be OK.

Many have an AV system in the living room, but I wonder
what percentage still have a proper listening room for music.
CD or vinyl?

Iain

On 08/04/2017 09:59, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 07/04/17 15:03, Iain Churches wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message

I would suggest that Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression was
more
to
do with the "loudness wars" than limited bandwidth, especially since it
predates digital media.

A cigar for that man:-)

In pop music the public consider louder to be better.


Making it sound punchier on AM radio was the beginning of that.

Radio 1 started in 1967. When did that get its own FM service?

Radio 1 took over the Radio 2 FM transmitter on weeknights from 22:00 to
midnight
and for live concerts on Saturday afternoons from the early seventies.
They were the only things worth listening to on Radio 1.

Isn't there a Radio Times archive where we can check these things?

--
Eiron.

On 08/04/17 11:35, Eiron wrote:
On 08/04/2017 09:59, Adrian Caspersz wrote:

Making it sound punchier on AM radio was the beginning of that.

Radio 1 started in 1967. When did that get its own FM service?

Radio 1 took over the Radio 2 FM transmitter on weeknights from 22:00 to
midnight
and for live concerts on Saturday afternoons from the early seventies.
They were the only things worth listening to on Radio 1.

I dive in now and then to recorded Radio 1 things on BBC iplayer, the
rest is not any more for my ears. I listen to recorded music rather than
the radio.

Though in the eighties, me standing ready for hammering 'record/play' on
a C90 cassette, it was amusing to record the Sunday announcer handover
from Radio 2s 'sing something simple' to Radio 1 for the Top 40. It was
typically delivered with a kind amusing almost patronising warning for
them with fragile ears.


Isn't there a Radio Times archive where we can check these things?


I think there is, but Radio 1 went full time FM somewhere in 1988. A
needless long time stalled by the same attitudes that were present a
long while ago when Radio 1 first launched.

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Adrian C

In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Though in the eighties, me standing ready for hammering 'record/play' on
a C90 cassette, it was amusing to record the Sunday announcer handover
from Radio 2s 'sing something simple' to Radio 1 for the Top 40. It was
typically delivered with a kind amusing almost patronising warning for
them with fragile ears.

But surely Pick of the Pops pre-dated R1?

When R1 started in the London area, the transmitted quality was rather
better than average AM - if you had a suitable receiver. Until
international agreement limited the bandwidth on that frequency.

I have a tape somewhere with a simulcast - R1 AM on one track, and R2 FM
(mono) on the other, both from Quad tuners. With rather less difference
than you'd expect.

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On 08/04/2017 11:35, Eiron wrote:
On 08/04/2017 09:59, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 07/04/17 15:03, Iain Churches wrote:
"Huge" wrote in message

I would suggest that Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression was
more
to
do with the "loudness wars" than limited bandwidth, especially since it
predates digital media.

A cigar for that man:-)

In pop music the public consider louder to be better.


Making it sound punchier on AM radio was the beginning of that.

Radio 1 started in 1967. When did that get its own FM service?

Radio 1 took over the Radio 2 FM transmitter on weeknights from 22:00 to
midnight
and for live concerts on Saturday afternoons from the early seventies.
They were the only things worth listening to on Radio 1.

Isn't there a Radio Times archive where we can check these things?

It seems that the Saturday evening Radio 1 'In Concert' was only on
VHF/FM from 1973.
e.g.
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules...and/1973-04-07

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Eiron.