April 6th 17, 01:13 PM
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April 7th 17, 09:37 AM
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 10:13:30 +0100, Adrian Caspersz
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On 07/04/17 08:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, it does not have to be that way. certainly back in 2000 r2 put out a
Bee Gees concert with wonderful dynamic range and quality on DAB. Some of
the concerts recorded for radio 1 in the 70s and 80s were very good also,
but when more recently they have rebroadcast some of them they are
compressed to hell and back. I know this as I have high quality recordings
from FM of the originals.
As I say, they need to decide what they are aiming for. Its not just
classical lovers who like good quality output.
The standards at the bbc have fallen to a new low and now I suspect most
listeners would be astounded just how realistic and good so called pop
concerts can be.
Pop music was always second to classical with regard to funding (elitism
etc...), hence why the Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression to
cope with limited bandwidth, and now an unfortunate addiction to using
it from the industry - even for CDs FFS.
There are plenty of instruments and "instruments" played outside an
orchestra that could also do without the effects of lossy data
compression, but I wouldn't expect them to change the status quo for that.
A problem here is that lossy compression is really based on the kind
of dynamic range you get in uncompressed acoustic music, and it does
that quite well. Hypercompressed pop is much harder to compress while
keeping decent sound quality.
d
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April 7th 17, 09:53 AM
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In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
Pop music was always second to classical with regard to funding (elitism
etc...), hence why the Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression to
cope with limited bandwidth, and now an unfortunate addiction to using
it from the industry - even for CDs FFS.
Think it's more to do with the majority audience. In car listening - and
the little radio in the kitchen etc - are what perhaps most use to listen
to pop radio on. Hence those awful processors used on the output of many
radio stations which can make a mockery of the original recording.
Classical music can have a much wider dynamic range making it less
suitable for casual listening. Hence Classic FM etc, which chooses stuff
which is.
DAB was designed to get round this. That after 'recording' compression
could be controlled at your receiver. But sadly, don't think it was ever
implemented.
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April 7th 17, 02:03 PM
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"Huge" wrote in message
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On 2017-04-07, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 07/04/17 08:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, it does not have to be that way. certainly back in 2000 r2 put out
a
Bee Gees concert with wonderful dynamic range and quality on DAB. Some
of
the concerts recorded for radio 1 in the 70s and 80s were very good
also,
but when more recently they have rebroadcast some of them they are
compressed to hell and back. I know this as I have high quality
recordings
from FM of the originals.
As I say, they need to decide what they are aiming for. Its not just
classical lovers who like good quality output.
The standards at the bbc have fallen to a new low and now I suspect
most
listeners would be astounded just how realistic and good so called pop
concerts can be.
Pop music was always second to classical with regard to funding (elitism
etc...), hence why the Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression to
cope with limited bandwidth, and now an unfortunate addiction to using
it from the industry - even for CDs FFS.
I would suggest that Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression was more
to
do with the "loudness wars" than limited bandwidth, especially since it
predates digital media.
A cigar for that man:-)
In pop music the public consider louder to be better.
Over the years, I have, on many occasions asked
listeners to choose between two identical mastered
mixes both peaking at -1dB FS but one of them
compressed 3dB. They perceive the compressed
version as louder, therefore better. Hardly anyone
notices that in every other respect the two are identical,
but somehow the vocal sound is better, and the solos
are fuller, and it sounds better in the car, and on the
kitchen radio..........
Iain
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April 17th 17, 11:41 AM
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In article , Huge
scribeth thus
On 2017-04-07, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 07/04/17 08:39, Brian Gaff wrote:
Well, it does not have to be that way. certainly back in 2000 r2 put out a
Bee Gees concert with wonderful dynamic range and quality on DAB. Some of
the concerts recorded for radio 1 in the 70s and 80s were very good also,
but when more recently they have rebroadcast some of them they are
compressed to hell and back. I know this as I have high quality recordings
from FM of the originals.
As I say, they need to decide what they are aiming for. Its not just
classical lovers who like good quality output.
The standards at the bbc have fallen to a new low and now I suspect most
listeners would be astounded just how realistic and good so called pop
concerts can be.
Pop music was always second to classical with regard to funding (elitism
etc...), hence why the Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression to
cope with limited bandwidth, and now an unfortunate addiction to using
it from the industry - even for CDs FFS.
I would suggest that Pop's reliance on dynamic range compression was more to
do with the "loudness wars" than limited bandwidth, especially since it
predates digital media.
It often has to be so, a lot of radio is listened to under far less than
ideal conditions where a wide dynamic range would be waste and no
bugger would hear it.
Course there is a world of difference between a tranny kicked up against
the sawmill in our local wood works compared to what I might want to
listen to on Radio 3 at home here....
And even that sometimes benefits from a bit of dynamic range reduction
depending on where you might be listening to it ..
However you the listener should have the choice of source of course  ...
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Tony Sayer
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April 6th 17, 04:39 PM
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I'd not call Radio 3 320k aac "crap quality". And you've missed the point
that this is a *test*. It may develop if successful and people encourage
them.
Jim
In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:
So they hide this away, and have no plans to give services. Interesting.
I'd have thought that if they did live stuff on the Radio 2 network they
would get more feedback, or is the idea to say nobody cares so we can
carry on doing what we do in crap quality. Brian
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