In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I don't quite get the point of this, as if you really believe the stuff on
the site, it seems totally pointless if they have no plans to actually use
it long term for anything.
Brian


It does seem to be in the lets try and see how we get on and if theres
enough interest then we might make it permanently available.

It's probably more to do with the way the BBC works and various
departments get funded than owt else;!..

The main problem, I think, in this case is the balance between "people will
want and prefer it" + "it is better" versus "music companies will want
higher IPR payments". So far as I can tell, the trial is being time limited
because of worries that music biz companies will regard it as 'Audio CD
quality' whereas the aac can be seen as 'lossy, so lower than Audio CD'.

In effect, the R3 people would like to use flac, but beancounters and suits
may say "no". Hence I think they are hoping for a positive reaction to wave
at the beancounters.

The increase in required stream bandwith per user is modest. The tests I've
run seem to turn out in the range of 450 - 500 k compared with the 320 for
aac. So a clear increase in system loading, but still piffle compared with
BBC1 streams in the 50fps video formats. But, then, for some odd reason
BBC1 gets more of the cake than R3!

Jim

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In article ,
Andrew wrote:
On 15/04/2017 14:41, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 15/04/17 09:20, Brian Gaff wrote:
I don't quite get the point of this, as if you really believe the
stuff on the site, it seems totally pointless if they have no plans
to actually use it long term for anything.

A compensation for removing FM.

Heard that rumour again the other day. Given how many listen in cars, I
can't see the commercial broadcasters being happy with that.
Do all cars have DAB these days? My newest one doesn't - despite having
the very expensive Bose upgrade sound system.


Mine doesn't. 59-plate Astra with CD30 radio/cd.

FM is my main listening medium, including in the house.
I'll be annoyed if I lose R2,R3, R4 and Classic from FM because
DAB in the West Sussex 'black hole notspot' between Midhurst,
Horsham and Bognor makes it unusable.

I have an audio analogue distribution system here, and use FreeView tuners
for radio. Seems easier to distribute UHF round the house than a VHF FM
aerial signal - and of course you can use it for TV too.

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In article , Andrew
wrote:


The speakers are set to 100% on the Realtek Audio mixer. Is there some
way of arranging for R3 FM and R3 Flac to have the same volume ?.

Afraid not. The R3 iplayer streams and the test flac stream have no
automated level-compression applied. But R3 FM does. So in general, they
will differ. All you can do is tweak levels to get what seems like a
comfortable level for each. It may change with the programme material.


The weak-link at the moment seems to be the need for firefox 51+ on a
desktop so any solution using a tablet seems to be out of the question
(for now).

I'm using a version of ffmpeg to capture the steams as files. However
setting this up is a real PITA unless you are computer geek. I have been
told that Chrome works. But I have no idea about that or what other
browsers, etc, might for the flac test. Sadly we now only have a couple of
weeks before the flac test will end. :-/

Use the BBC feedback pages to let them know you think the flac stream is
excellent and "ask for more"! :-)

Jim

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"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I don't quite get the point of this, as if you really believe the stuff on
the site, it seems totally pointless if they have no plans to actually use
it long term for anything.
Brian


It does seem to be in the lets try and see how we get on and if theres
enough interest then we might make it permanently available.

It's probably more to do with the way the BBC works and various
departments get funded than owt else;!..
--
Tony Sayer


Which is a very good reason to give positive feedback.

Iain

I've had confirmation from people I know at the BBC that they *will* be
streaming this year's proms as flac. :-) I asked about this and got the
reply below

Yes, it is correct. There is a longer statement from Alan Davey he
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2017/04/bbc...aming-quality/

Jim

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In article , Iain Churches
wrote:

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

It does seem to be in the lets try and see how we get on and if
theres enough interest then we might make it permanently available.

It's probably more to do with the way the BBC works and various
departments get funded than owt else;!.. -- Tony Sayer


Which is a very good reason to give positive feedback.

Yes. People more generally should bear in mind that such developments have
had a habit of first appearing as a R3 trial, then as a R3 stream, then
tend to spread to the other stations and 'on demand'. So it may benefit
other listeners in time if the same approach comes to fruit.

Sadly, I'm not sure how many people, so far, have either realised that the
trial has been running, or been able to make correct use of it. In the
nature of such things that people may have to fiddle about with their
computer, etc, or engage in 'geeky' things when they are a trial.

However the good news is that it's been confirmed that the Proms this year
will also be flac streamed. That should give it far more publicity and let
people have more advance warning to prepare.

Jim

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Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

In article , Iain Churches
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I don't quite get the point of this, as if you really believe the stuff on
the site, it seems totally pointless if they have no plans to actually use
it long term for anything.
Brian


It does seem to be in the lets try and see how we get on and if theres
enough interest then we might make it permanently available.

It's probably more to do with the way the BBC works and various
departments get funded than owt else;!..
--
Tony Sayer


Which is a very good reason to give positive feedback.

Iain



Dun .. the other week when it kicked off...
--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Iain Churches
scribeth thus

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Brian Gaff
scribeth thus
I don't quite get the point of this, as if you really believe the stuff
on
the site, it seems totally pointless if they have no plans to actually
use
it long term for anything.
Brian


It does seem to be in the lets try and see how we get on and if theres
enough interest then we might make it permanently available.

It's probably more to do with the way the BBC works and various
departments get funded than owt else;!..
--
Tony Sayer


Which is a very good reason to give positive feedback.

Iain



Dun .. the other week when it kicked off...
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Excellent. We British tend to vote with our feet:-)
With positive feedback it looks as if something
very worthwhile can be achieved.

Iain