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Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quite baffling



 
 
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Old July 8th 17, 10:53 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Adrian Caspersz
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quitebaffling

On 08/07/17 09:54, Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-07, Adrian Caspersz wrote:


People found that believe and peddle in this clearly meaningless
twaddle, should be forced to surrender any gained school or college
examination certificates; assessed as a high insurance risk; not to have
responsibility for raising or teaching others; and, (importantly) should
be disbarred from voting in elections or taking any employment funded by
the state.


The people who peddle it may well be aware that it's nonsense.


Then that's not too far from fraud, and unless it (at sellers expense)
can be explained to be a legit entrepreneurial concern, they should
shoulder / pass on a higher tax rate.


We should thus have three tax bands.

- Fuel/Food/Necessities tax,
- Luxuries tax (VAT)


The problem with this is defining what a luxury is.


Nope, luxury is already defined in something requiring the application
of VAT. Tolley's tax guide is comprehensive - things that are fairly
mundane like biscuits, but there ye go.

Nope, the _vanity_ tax bracket is what I'm suggesting (and others too,
it's an interesting google..)

It can encompass the whole range of bling that one uses only as an "I
hav excess!" status definer that serves absolutely no other real purpose
other than to ridiculously dry the planet up of limited resources, and
increase the temptations of crime. And add to that, things of paranormal
significance.

The government (and us standard tax payers) should then be able to claw
back money from that without it all disappearing into the pockets of
shysters ...

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Old July 8th 17, 11:32 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
RJH[_4_]
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quitebaffling

On 08/07/2017 11:53, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 08/07/17 09:54, Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-07, Adrian Caspersz wrote:


People found that believe and peddle in this clearly meaningless
twaddle, should be forced to surrender any gained school or college
examination certificates; assessed as a high insurance risk; not to have
responsibility for raising or teaching others; and, (importantly) should
be disbarred from voting in elections or taking any employment funded by
the state.


The people who peddle it may well be aware that it's nonsense.


Then that's not too far from fraud, and unless it (at sellers expense)
can be explained to be a legit entrepreneurial concern, they should
shoulder / pass on a higher tax rate.


We should thus have three tax bands.

- Fuel/Food/Necessities tax,
- Luxuries tax (VAT)


The problem with this is defining what a luxury is.


Nope, luxury is already defined in something requiring the application
of VAT. Tolley's tax guide is comprehensive - things that are fairly
mundane like biscuits, but there ye go.

Nope, the _vanity_ tax bracket is what I'm suggesting (and others too,
it's an interesting google..)

It can encompass the whole range of bling that one uses only as an "I
hav excess!" status definer that serves absolutely no other real purpose
other than to ridiculously dry the planet up of limited resources, and
increase the temptations of crime. And add to that, things of paranormal
significance.


Indeed. Nice little article on the topic:

http://standpointmag.co.uk/counterpoints-march-2017-john-torode-thorstein-veblen-leisure-class-conspicious-consumption-trump

The government (and us standard tax payers) should then be able to claw
back money from that without it all disappearing into the pockets of
shysters ...


I don't know. Really, I can't get too worked up about opportunists
fleecing the obscenely rich and gullible.

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Old July 8th 17, 11:49 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Johan Helsingius
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quitebaffling

I'm surprised nobody has not suggested rewiring the house with special
oxygen free mains cable by now.


Unfortunately I have come across people who do just that.

Julf


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Old July 9th 17, 10:02 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Brian Gaff
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quite baffling

Have you ever looked at mains supply cables? After all what they should be
doing in my view is fitting all new builds with filters that render internet
over the mains devices impossible to use. thy cause no end of issues with
equipment being interfered with etc.
Brian

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I'm surprised nobody has not suggested rewiring the house with special
oxygen free mains cable by now.


Unfortunately I have come across people who do just that.

Julf




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Old July 16th 17, 11:58 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Mike Fleming
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quite baffling

In article , Huge
writes:

On 2017-07-07, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
On 07/07/17 13:04, Huge wrote:
On 2017-07-07, Richard Jones wrote:

Makes 'running in' speaker cables seem positively sane!

Right up there with this cack;

http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm


People found that believe and peddle in this clearly meaningless
twaddle, should be forced to surrender any gained school or college
examination certificates; assessed as a high insurance risk; not to have
responsibility for raising or teaching others; and, (importantly) should
be disbarred from voting in elections or taking any employment funded by
the state.


The people who peddle it may well be aware that it's nonsense.


I've always assumed that Machina Dynamica is satire but they don't
mind taking money off the most stupid. If you look at their home page,
you'll see an old SF book cover there - I'm sure they had said covers
sprinkled liberally throughout when I first encountered the site.

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Old July 16th 17, 02:42 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Iain Churches[_3_]
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quite baffling

perjantai 7. heinäkuuta 2017 14.56.06 UTC+3 Richard Jones kirjoitti:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audio-Grou...item3f7d4189c8

https://tinyurl.com/y8rwh533

I've no idea what a piece of wire attached to a croc clip at one end and
a piece of rosewood (possibly containing silicon wafers?) connected to
the chassis of your Hi-Fi item is supposed to do. Presumably nothing as
they thoughtfully add the following caveat..

"Pls note : We can't 100% gurantee the Ground box have the expected
effect, because it is Subjective feelings,Different person, different
device, different condition and enviroment can let the respond
different, someone respond the ground box with great effect, another
person respond the box with little effect"

Makes 'running in' speaker cables seem positively sane!


In response to Brian's comments:

Audiophiles have always had a reputation for gullibility. As long as there is a demand for audio snake oil, there will be purveyors in abundance.

I mentioned earlier, in another thread, about a colleague of mine who ran a pro audio repair shop. When things were quiet, he used to make shielded mains cables (a braided shield connected at the Schuko connector only) with a clear plastic sleeeve over. Most impressive. Once the jigs were set up the cables were quick and very cheap to produce. He sold them for 50e to a dealer in Sweden whose customers mainly in the UK, paid UKP85, for a 2 metre cable. He was turning them out in impressive quantities. It came to an end when the dealer found a Chinese supplier who could supply a 1m50 cable for much less money. The retailer lowered his price to 75e and sales increased!!

I can't comment about Russ Andrews, but if you want to know about audio "smoke and mirrors" Brian, Magic Alex will interest you. He was the man who promised to build the Beatles a 72-track analogue multitrack recorder at a time when the 4 track Studer J37 was state of the art. He also said that he would render studio acoustic treatment, tiles, screens etc, as unnecessary by using an acoustic "force-field" generated by six massive computers which be bought as redundant technology from British Aerospace. Similarly, he claimed that a control to studio "talkback" system would no longer be required as he could electronically tune players/producers/engineers to the "same artistic wavelength". The Beatles put him in charge of their technical R+D at Apple Electronics to design and build there new studio in Saville Row. He brought them to to verge of bankcruptcy.

I met Magic Alex at a party at the Saville Rowe premises. He certainly had some "interesting" ideas.

Iain


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Old July 17th 17, 11:15 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quite baffling

..

In response to Brian's comments:

Audiophiles have always had a reputation for gullibility. As long as there is a
demand for audio snake oil, there will be purveyors in abundance.

I mentioned earlier, in another thread, about a colleague of mine who ran a pro
audio repair shop. When things were quiet, he used to make shielded mains cables
(a braided shield connected at the Schuko connector only) with a clear plastic
sleeeve over. Most impressive. Once the jigs were set up the cables were quick
and very cheap to produce. He sold them for 50e to a dealer in Sweden whose
customers mainly in the UK, paid UKP85, for a 2 metre cable. He was turning
them out in impressive quantities. It came to an end when the dealer found a
Chinese supplier who could supply a 1m50 cable for much less money. The retailer
lowered his price to 75e and sales increased!!

I can't comment about Russ Andrews, but if you want to know about audio "smoke
and mirrors" Brian, Magic Alex will interest you. He was the man who promised to
build the Beatles a 72-track analogue multitrack recorder at a time when the 4
track Studer J37 was state of the art. He also said that he would render studio
acoustic treatment, tiles, screens etc, as unnecessary by using an acoustic
"force-field" generated by six massive computers which be bought as redundant
technology from British Aerospace. Similarly, he claimed that a control to
studio "talkback" system would no longer be required as he could electronically
tune players/producers/engineers to the "same artistic wavelength". The Beatles
put him in charge of their technical R+D at Apple Electronics to design and
build there new studio in Saville Row. He brought them to to verge of
bankcruptcy.



I met Magic Alex at a party at the Saville Rowe premises. He certainly had some
"interesting" ideas.

Iain



Any idea what he was smoking at all?...


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Old July 17th 17, 06:03 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Iain Churches[_3_]
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quite baffling

maanantai 17. heinäkuuta 2017 14.24.19 UTC+3 tony sayer kirjoitti:
.

In response to Brian's comments:

Audiophiles have always had a reputation for gullibility. As long as there is a
demand for audio snake oil, there will be purveyors in abundance.

I mentioned earlier, in another thread, about a colleague of mine who ran a pro
audio repair shop. When things were quiet, he used to make shielded mains cables
(a braided shield connected at the Schuko connector only) with a clear plastic
sleeeve over. Most impressive. Once the jigs were set up the cables were quick
and very cheap to produce. He sold them for 50e to a dealer in Sweden whose
customers mainly in the UK, paid UKP85, for a 2 metre cable. He was turning
them out in impressive quantities. It came to an end when the dealer found a
Chinese supplier who could supply a 1m50 cable for much less money. The retailer
lowered his price to 75e and sales increased!!

I can't comment about Russ Andrews, but if you want to know about audio "smoke
and mirrors" Brian, Magic Alex will interest you. He was the man who promised to
build the Beatles a 72-track analogue multitrack recorder at a time when the 4
track Studer J37 was state of the art. He also said that he would render studio
acoustic treatment, tiles, screens etc, as unnecessary by using an acoustic
"force-field" generated by six massive computers which be bought as redundant
technology from British Aerospace. Similarly, he claimed that a control to
studio "talkback" system would no longer be required as he could electronically
tune players/producers/engineers to the "same artistic wavelength". The Beatles
put him in charge of their technical R+D at Apple Electronics to design and
build there new studio in Saville Row. He brought them to to verge of
bankcruptcy.



I met Magic Alex at a party at the Saville Rowe premises. He certainly had some
"interesting" ideas.

Iain



Any idea what he was smoking at all?...

:-))

Much to his chagrin he (Magic Alex) was unable to demonstrate his forcefield acoustic as the LEB were (he said) unable to supply the current required without blacking out Oxford St, Regent St, and the southern end of Edgeware Rd. He had a contingency plan for the Underground and also BBC Maida Vale which may or may not have been affected.

Interesting chap:-))

Iain
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Old July 19th 17, 10:56 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Richard Jones[_3_]
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quitebaffling

I can't comment about Russ Andrews, but if you want to know about audio "smoke and mirrors" Brian, Magic Alex will interest you. He was the man who promised to build the Beatles a 72-track analogue multitrack recorder at a time when the 4 track Studer J37 was state of the art. He also said that he would render studio acoustic treatment, tiles, screens etc, as unnecessary by using an acoustic "force-field" generated by six massive computers which be bought as redundant technology from British Aerospace. Similarly, he claimed that a control to studio "talkback" system would no longer be required as he could electronically tune players/producers/engineers to the "same artistic wavelength". The Beatles put him in charge of their technical R+D at Apple Electronics to design and build there new studio in Saville Row. He brought them to to verge of bankcruptcy.


Goes to prove you can pay someone obscene sums of money but if they are
devoid of talent they'll still just produce crap.

Which reminds me, must go and check the BBC pay announcement to see what
Chris Evans is being paid...
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Old July 19th 17, 01:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Woody[_4_]
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Default Even by Hi-Fi snake oil gadgets standards, this one is quite baffling


"Richard Jones" wrote in message
news
I can't comment about Russ Andrews, but if you want to know about
audio "smoke and mirrors" Brian, Magic Alex will interest you. He
was the man who promised to build the Beatles a 72-track analogue
multitrack recorder at a time when the 4 track Studer J37 was state
of the art. He also said that he would render studio acoustic
treatment, tiles, screens etc, as unnecessary by using an acoustic
"force-field" generated by six massive computers which be bought as
redundant technology from British Aerospace. Similarly, he claimed
that a control to studio "talkback" system would no longer be
required as he could electronically tune
players/producers/engineers to the "same artistic wavelength". The
Beatles put him in charge of their technical R+D at Apple
Electronics to design and build there new studio in Saville Row.
He brought them to to verge of bankcruptcy.


Goes to prove you can pay someone obscene sums of money but if they
are devoid of talent they'll still just produce crap.

Which reminds me, must go and check the BBC pay announcement to see
what Chris Evans is being paid...


+1



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harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com


 




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