In defense of Michael Jackson
 

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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George M. Middius wrote:




With all this training and insight, why do you refuse to turn your
spotlight on Krooger?

He's much more complex. Jackson is caught beween the world he wants
and the world he has to live in as a celebrity. This sort of dual-life
is exactly what you see in such people (as well as gay/lesbians who are
hiding it) - it eventually comes out or they self-destruct and implode.



Good One!!
Fits Krueger to a "T",
In the mindset of Krueger, he 'thinks' he has a celebrity life
on Usenet.




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In defense of Michael Jackson
 

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
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George M. Middius wrote:




With all this training and insight, why do you refuse to turn your
spotlight on Krooger?

He's much more complex. Jackson is caught beween the world he wants
and the world he has to live in as a celebrity. This sort of
dual-life is exactly what you see in such people (as well as
gay/lesbians who are hiding it) - it eventually comes out or they
self-destruct and implode.



Good One!!
Fits Krueger to a "T",
In the mindset of Krueger, he 'thinks' he has a celebrity life
on Usenet.

It must really be crappy being you, sockpuppet Yustabe. All you seem to be
able to do is whine about me. If I wasn't so interested in audio, you
wouldn't even bother with audio groups on Usenet, right?

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

"Sockpuppet Yustabe" wrote in message

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote in message
link.net...
George M. Middius wrote:




With all this training and insight, why do you refuse to turn your
spotlight on Krooger?

He's much more complex. Jackson is caught beween the world he wants
and the world he has to live in as a celebrity. This sort of
dual-life is exactly what you see in such people (as well as
gay/lesbians who are hiding it) - it eventually comes out or they
self-destruct and implode.



Good One!!
Fits Krueger to a "T",
In the mindset of Krueger, he 'thinks' he has a celebrity life
on Usenet.

It must really be crappy being you, sockpuppet Yustabe. All you seem to be
able to do is whine about me. If I wasn't so interested in audio, you
wouldn't even bother with audio groups on Usenet, right?

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

"anthony.gosnell" wrote in message


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote

He'll likely get off on this one too - but my advice would be - go to
a therapist.

Right. Let's say for the purpose of argument that Michael was totally
innocent the last time and it was a set up. Even so, a reasonable person
would not want to put themselves through that kind of grief for the sake of
some (for the sake of argument) *innocent* sleepy-time fun with little
friends.

He paid off the last kid didn't he?

Well yes, the parents took what appeared to be hush money.

Seems like an easy way to make some serious cash.

Payment is a *solution* that has since been addressed by the California
Legislature. It will be interesting to see how this situation evolves. We
can count on no small amount of legal talent being hired to try to finesse
the new legal context.

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

"anthony.gosnell" wrote in message


"Joseph Oberlander" wrote

He'll likely get off on this one too - but my advice would be - go to
a therapist.

Right. Let's say for the purpose of argument that Michael was totally
innocent the last time and it was a set up. Even so, a reasonable person
would not want to put themselves through that kind of grief for the sake of
some (for the sake of argument) *innocent* sleepy-time fun with little
friends.

He paid off the last kid didn't he?

Well yes, the parents took what appeared to be hush money.

Seems like an easy way to make some serious cash.

Payment is a *solution* that has since been addressed by the California
Legislature. It will be interesting to see how this situation evolves. We
can count on no small amount of legal talent being hired to try to finesse
the new legal context.

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

PD said:

- he fits the transexual pattern perfectly.

MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?

Your observations may be completely accurate, but they could also be
completely beside the point. It's entirely possible that if Obie is
right, Jacko is totally unaware of it.

That said, my guess would be that the poor sod has constructed his
elaborate reality-as-fantasy world to immerse himself in perpetual
childhood. Which means he doesn't see himself as a man, at least not
with his inner eye. Which in turn means he really can't "want to be a
woman" because he sees himself as a sexless child.

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

PD said:

- he fits the transexual pattern perfectly.

MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?

Your observations may be completely accurate, but they could also be
completely beside the point. It's entirely possible that if Obie is
right, Jacko is totally unaware of it.

That said, my guess would be that the poor sod has constructed his
elaborate reality-as-fantasy world to immerse himself in perpetual
childhood. Which means he doesn't see himself as a man, at least not
with his inner eye. Which in turn means he really can't "want to be a
woman" because he sees himself as a sexless child.

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

anthony.gosnell wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote

He'll likely get off on this one too - but my advice would be - go to
a therapist.


He paid off the last kid didn't he?
Seems like an easy way to make some serious cash.

Looks like history will repeat itself.

I'm shocked they didn't settle out of court.

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

anthony.gosnell wrote:

"Joseph Oberlander" wrote

He'll likely get off on this one too - but my advice would be - go to
a therapist.


He paid off the last kid didn't he?
Seems like an easy way to make some serious cash.

Looks like history will repeat itself.

I'm shocked they didn't settle out of court.

In defense of Michael Jackson
 

G.S. Nail wrote:

MJ presents a masculine image of himself, I can't think of any gender
bending outtift or even item of clothing he has worn [he invented the
thrust-cock-into-hands dance motif for crissake]. He has never
betrayed a desire to be female in any interview or lyric I've heard.
He has been married twice and had a child (yes some say they were show
weddings - who outside of the inner circle can possibly know for
sure). OK Jacko does have an unusually "sweet" voice - he's always had
that, and some rather unusual beliefs, but I think you are jumping the
gun a bit to say he obviously wants to be a woman. As I said before,
based on what evidence exactly?

There are two main types of transexual - the obvious flamboyant type
that tries way too hard, and the quiet introverted type who like the
closet gay or lesbian, you hardly notice.

He presents a male image of himself only because he is in such a spotlight.
You'll notice that he's been steadily retreating into his own world and acting
less and less male - typical of a problem like this( it's not a disease, but
without any resolution, it's a huge disability).

His marriages - it's common for transexuals to try to be super masculine in
their youth and have at least one failed marriage, often with exactly one
child. They try, but never fit into male society.

IIRC, he's had most of his body hair(facial for sure) removed, wears his
hair sort of long - and a bunch of little things that all add up to his
being as feminine a male as possible and yet still being barely acceptable
as such in our society. If he's not transexual, he's most definately hiding
being gay - there are really only two explinations for his behavior over the
last ten or so years - that he's "living in the closet" about something.

His self-destructive behavior is classic of this.


The sad thing is everyone is putting him in a box as if he was some pedophile,
when he really is just a lonely, troubled person who needs therapy.


You are clutching at straws IMO. What if it turns out he is guilty?

My guess is that he really was just sleeping with them. It would be very
fitting with my hypothesis - that he has a female mindset and has a need
to be near children - to be their "mom" as it were. He invites the kids over
to fill this void in his life. He certainly wants little to do with his
own child - because that would reinforce his having to be the male/father - but
other children - he gets to be their nanny.

Of course, we'll probably never really know what goes on in his mind as
most closet transexuals would rather die than admit it and have it out
in public. Almost all want a stealth-as-possible existance, yet if
there ever was one person who couldn't ever have it, it's Michael.

Sad, really - if he could have come to terms with his inner demons years
ago, nobody would be accusing him of being a pedophile as there would be
another explination. Unfortunately, he'll stick to his male public image
and that will doom him as REAL men who sleep with children are obviously
messed up.