"Wally" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

My DAC, being clearer and more detailed, is less forgiving and,
therefore, better.

Interesting, my recently-purchased eBench DVDP (38 quid!) sounds
quite good (for digital) ...

See, there you go - what does "sounds quite good (for digital)" mean, if
it
isn't "nice, pleasant, inoffensive, muffled ****e"?



No, I'll only give you points for 'inoffensive' and 'muffled' here.....

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:04:27 +0000 (UTC)
"David" wrote:

because if its inaudible, what is the point in discussing it? it is
irrelevant.


Supertweeters?

Actually there is a point there - I should have said imperceptable - its
well known that certain ultrasonics can invoke emotion in people...



As, of course, do certain harmonics and is almost certainly why most normal
people find the 'sound of valves' hard to resist......

"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:04:27 +0000 (UTC)
"David" wrote:

because if its inaudible, what is the point in discussing it? it is
irrelevant.


Supertweeters?

Actually there is a point there - I should have said imperceptable - its
well known that certain ultrasonics can invoke emotion in people...



As, of course, do certain harmonics and is almost certainly why most normal
people find the 'sound of valves' hard to resist......

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:44:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

All I can say is if
you haven't spent any time with a valve amp yourself, get a good
listen and
see if it does anything for you.

Been there, done that. Nice pleasant sound, even on ****e recordings,
hence not high fidelity. Also softens really great recordings, so
****e sound, basically.

Hmmm, how does that work - both a 'Nice pleasant sound' and '****e
sound'......???

(An interesting paradox born of extreme prejudice, methinks....)

Nope, just another example of you not reading somethijng right.....



Of course! Silly old me!

Wasn't utter ******** at all was it? Because while 'nice' and '****e'
usually appear the *opposite* ends of a given scale in any ordinary context,
in the case of "*high fidelity* sound" it would appear different (and
unique) rules apply as in:


"They are not mutually exclusive in terms of *high fidelity* sound......."


How's that - did I read that right yet????

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:44:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

All I can say is if
you haven't spent any time with a valve amp yourself, get a good
listen and
see if it does anything for you.

Been there, done that. Nice pleasant sound, even on ****e recordings,
hence not high fidelity. Also softens really great recordings, so
****e sound, basically.

Hmmm, how does that work - both a 'Nice pleasant sound' and '****e
sound'......???

(An interesting paradox born of extreme prejudice, methinks....)

Nope, just another example of you not reading somethijng right.....



Of course! Silly old me!

Wasn't utter ******** at all was it? Because while 'nice' and '****e'
usually appear the *opposite* ends of a given scale in any ordinary context,
in the case of "*high fidelity* sound" it would appear different (and
unique) rules apply as in:


"They are not mutually exclusive in terms of *high fidelity* sound......."


How's that - did I read that right yet????

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:07:51 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

Actually there is a point there - I should have said imperceptable -
its well known that certain ultrasonics can invoke emotion in
people...

As, of course, do certain harmonics and is almost certainly why most
normal people find the 'sound of valves' hard to resist......

Thing is - the 'valve sound' can be reproduced on any linear amp as long
as the input material has the distortion pre-recorded...

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:07:51 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

Actually there is a point there - I should have said imperceptable -
its well known that certain ultrasonics can invoke emotion in
people...

As, of course, do certain harmonics and is almost certainly why most
normal people find the 'sound of valves' hard to resist......

Thing is - the 'valve sound' can be reproduced on any linear amp as long
as the input material has the distortion pre-recorded...

--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Been there, done that. Nice pleasant sound, even on ****e
recordings, hence not high fidelity. Also softens really great
recordings, so ****e sound, basically.

Hmmm, how does that work - both a 'Nice pleasant sound' and '****e
sound'......???

Nice, pleasant, inoffensive, muffled ****e is what comes out of my
DVD player.

My DAC, being clearer and more detailed, is less forgiving and,
therefore, better.

Nice to see that *someone* around here can read English! :-)

It would seem that some are confused by the meaning of "sound" in the two
contexts in which it is used. :-)


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Been there, done that. Nice pleasant sound, even on ****e
recordings, hence not high fidelity. Also softens really great
recordings, so ****e sound, basically.

Hmmm, how does that work - both a 'Nice pleasant sound' and '****e
sound'......???

Nice, pleasant, inoffensive, muffled ****e is what comes out of my
DVD player.

My DAC, being clearer and more detailed, is less forgiving and,
therefore, better.

Nice to see that *someone* around here can read English! :-)

It would seem that some are confused by the meaning of "sound" in the two
contexts in which it is used. :-)


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 14:07:54 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:44:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

All I can say is if
you haven't spent any time with a valve amp yourself, get a good
listen and
see if it does anything for you.

Been there, done that. Nice pleasant sound, even on ****e recordings,
hence not high fidelity. Also softens really great recordings, so
****e sound, basically.

Hmmm, how does that work - both a 'Nice pleasant sound' and '****e
sound'......???

(An interesting paradox born of extreme prejudice, methinks....)

Nope, just another example of you not reading somethijng right.....


Of course! Silly old me!

Wasn't utter ******** at all was it? Because while 'nice' and '****e'
usually appear the *opposite* ends of a given scale in any ordinary context,
in the case of "*high fidelity* sound" it would appear different (and
unique) rules apply as in:

"They are not mutually exclusive in terms of *high fidelity* sound......."

How's that - did I read that right yet????

He's got it, by George he's got it!

If your system makes *everything* sound 'nice', say if you use a
single-ended valve amp, then you may be sure that as an accurate
reproducer, it's ****e!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering