January 8th 04, 05:06 PM
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:47:48 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 07:51:32 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:
Been there, done that. Nice pleasant sound, even on ****e recordings,
hence not high fidelity. Also softens really great recordings, so
****e sound, basically.
you're as bad as Keith... you say 'nice pleasant sound' and '****e
sound' referring to the same thing, in the same paragraph!
They are not mutually exclusive in terms of *high fidelity* sound.
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January 8th 04, 10:36 PM
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January 8th 04, 10:36 PM
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January 8th 04, 10:45 PM
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:36:21 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:
What difference should subjectivity make? If one person finds it better
then it is better... for that one person, therefore "better" is a valid
description.
*for them* yes, but if they go round saying its better just because *they* like it more then they are going to be misunderstood. in fact if they fail to qualify the reason they consider it better they will be misunderstodd most likely anyhow.
if you just say 'better' without qualification (eg. 'valves are better
SS sucks, blah blah) then you can expect to have people assume you refer
to the measurable qualities.
One shouldn't assume anything. If one doesn't know then one should ask.
I know that more than most people - I have Aspergers Syndrome (AS for short), and as such I am generally over-literal (can one say that? hehe). However I've learned (often painfully) that the general public have 'default values' for given figures of speech. (worse still, the default changes in different parts of the country...
Care to explain? (obviously, Im only speaking of the conditions where an
amp is working within its rated limits)
In real terms? One measure? Surely there are many different measures?
All of which can be objective.
One measure - linearity.
Many characteristics (max current into given load, supply ripple, blah blah...)
One thing for definite though - all well understood and measurable in every meaningful sense.
Well as someone with a ****e memory, I can empathise 
:-)
TBH though, whilst I've long supported the 80 columns view (and still do
in the absence of a better standard), it really is becomming a bit
silly... its not like boxes dont have the grunt to reformat on-the-fly
nowadays
It all depends on the end of line characters the client software uses
(or in some cases what the server adds). RFC822 is a little vague when
it comes to EOL in body text
Well, more to the point it depends on wether it puts them in at all ;-)
I still recon that lines can be wrapped automatically, even quoted ones (if people would use the damn standard quote character - their end can display it as they like, but at least use the same char in the transport!). But we're stuck with 80 chars until the last VT100 dies I guess ;-)
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January 8th 04, 10:45 PM
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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 21:36:21 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:
What difference should subjectivity make? If one person finds it better
then it is better... for that one person, therefore "better" is a valid
description.
*for them* yes, but if they go round saying its better just because *they* like it more then they are going to be misunderstood. in fact if they fail to qualify the reason they consider it better they will be misunderstodd most likely anyhow.
if you just say 'better' without qualification (eg. 'valves are better
SS sucks, blah blah) then you can expect to have people assume you refer
to the measurable qualities.
One shouldn't assume anything. If one doesn't know then one should ask.
I know that more than most people - I have Aspergers Syndrome (AS for short), and as such I am generally over-literal (can one say that? hehe). However I've learned (often painfully) that the general public have 'default values' for given figures of speech. (worse still, the default changes in different parts of the country...
Care to explain? (obviously, Im only speaking of the conditions where an
amp is working within its rated limits)
In real terms? One measure? Surely there are many different measures?
All of which can be objective.
One measure - linearity.
Many characteristics (max current into given load, supply ripple, blah blah...)
One thing for definite though - all well understood and measurable in every meaningful sense.
Well as someone with a ****e memory, I can empathise
:-)
TBH though, whilst I've long supported the 80 columns view (and still do
in the absence of a better standard), it really is becomming a bit
silly... its not like boxes dont have the grunt to reformat on-the-fly
nowadays
It all depends on the end of line characters the client software uses
(or in some cases what the server adds). RFC822 is a little vague when
it comes to EOL in body text
Well, more to the point it depends on wether it puts them in at all ;-)
I still recon that lines can be wrapped automatically, even quoted ones (if people would use the damn standard quote character - their end can display it as they like, but at least use the same char in the transport!). But we're stuck with 80 chars until the last VT100 dies I guess ;-)
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.
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January 8th 04, 10:48 PM
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"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:02:44 +0000 (UTC)
"David" wrote:
If you choose to compare equipment by subjective means and call
one better than the other then that's okay too.
as long as there is *zero* expectation that ANYONE will agree with
one...
So are we agreeing to actually listen to the kit?
TBH if I could *trust* the specs, I'd be happy to buy gear thats specced
as linear to beyond the audible range' without hearing it.
As we all know though - specs are not to be trusted...
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.
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January 8th 04, 10:48 PM
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"What HiFi" - can it be trusted?
On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:02:44 +0000 (UTC)
"David" wrote:
If you choose to compare equipment by subjective means and call
one better than the other then that's okay too.
as long as there is *zero* expectation that ANYONE will agree with
one...
So are we agreeing to actually listen to the kit?
TBH if I could *trust* the specs, I'd be happy to buy gear thats specced
as linear to beyond the audible range' without hearing it.
As we all know though - specs are not to be trusted...
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Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.
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January 8th 04, 10:48 PM
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:04:27 +0000 (UTC)
"David" wrote:
because if its inaudible, what is the point in discussing it? it is
irrelevant.
Supertweeters?
Actually there is a point there - I should have said imperceptable - its
well known that certain ultrasonics can invoke emotion in people...
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.
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January 8th 04, 10:48 PM
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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 18:04:27 +0000 (UTC)
"David" wrote:
because if its inaudible, what is the point in discussing it? it is
irrelevant.
Supertweeters?
Actually there is a point there - I should have said imperceptable - its
well known that certain ultrasonics can invoke emotion in people...
--
Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.
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January 8th 04, 10:49 PM
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