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Tumbleweed wrote:

"The Artist" wrote in message
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/3416437.stm


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And then they'll be complaining later that illegal downloads have
increased. If you had any moral qualms about downloading, this action
should remove them.


What a bloody stupid settlement. How can it infringe copyright to sell a CD
originaly intended for sale in another country. Has the world gone
bonkers?

Ian

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:32:58 +0000, Ian Bell
wrote:

Tumbleweed wrote:

"The Artist" wrote in message
...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...ic/3416437.stm


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And then they'll be complaining later that illegal downloads have
increased. If you had any moral qualms about downloading, this action
should remove them.


What a bloody stupid settlement. How can it infringe copyright to sell a CD
originaly intended for sale in another country.

It can, though, cause problems when royalty and publishing deals are
made on a country-by-country basis, and also when suppliers apply
dubious practices to circumvent import duty requirements. The BPI has
acted entirely within EU law here ... and, bonkers as it may seem
that getting a CD delivered by airmail from the far east is cheaper
than buying locally, its still no possible justification for
copyright theft in the form of illicit PtoP sharing or downloading.

Julian

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:06:40 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:

Dunno about underworld, but LoEG has been out for ages now. Besides
thats still about 8 ukp overpriced (theiving *******s can make these
things for pennies...)

WTF are you talking about, LXG isn't available in this country yet,
it's not due for release until 16th Feb.

I meant the *film* which has been out since last year. I didnt actually
look to see if it was released, I had assumed it would be by now.

What planet are you from? 3 quid for a new release, you are surely the
tightest ****er I've ever come across.

I can burn my own *DVD*s for less than half that, complete with case and
printed insert / cover. (if I wanted to). They can manufacture them for a tiny fraction of that even. I wouldnt mind betteing they have approaching 10000% markup on a full price release.

Which is totally erroneous. No-one need pay 30 quid for a single film.
Jeez I've just paid 20 quid for the season 2 Futurama boxset.

Thats 39.99 in tescos.

I don't think you even realise you are talking total ********.

Just because you *can* find them cheaper doesnt detract from the fact that they commonly sell for FAR more.

So you did what, put it in your pocket and walked off?

Nope, I leave that sort of thing to people like you.

I've never stolen anything from a store before. I've walked out with things I havent paid for, but I go back. Once I've even walked back into town from my house to do so.

I got it free with my first DVD player.

Thats a laughable counter to the argument.

I was talking about BUYING DVDs not getting a freebie with something else.

Who's talking about bargain bins?

Er, me. cant you read?

You equated my comment with getting them out of bargain bins. I'm
talking about brand new releases.

From where? some dodgy importer?

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:47:27 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Ian Molton wrote:

In northwich I could go to the cinema *ten* times for the same as it
costs me for a third-rate ****ty mastered DVD.

Only if you don't buy the popcorn and a large coke.

I dont buy food from the cinema. Thats what large jackets are for ;-)

Take some sandwiches and a 2 Ltr bottle of coke. much cheaper.

(most titles hit the market at about 29.99 and it costs 3.00 to get into
my local cinema.)

Try costing a night out at the local flicks for the average family,
admission, sweets, popcorn, drinks and maybe a meal at the local
hamburger dump afterwards. All that bloody munching. It'd be cheaper to
buy two DVD copies, not at 29.99 of course, which is just plain stupid.
I don't know anyone who pays 29.99 for DVDs.

Admission would be 9ukp. drinks and snacks from kwik-save (across the road) would be about 3ukp for everyone, with some left over.

I make that about 12ukp.

Still 1/2 the price of many DVDs. Your argument is a lot better that Kurts though ;-)

Besides, many MANY films dont look as good on a TV size screen, and DVDs look ****e on a big (like projection) screen anyway, if you're lucky enough to have one.

so thats two trips to the cinema for the whole family vs one or two DVDs (only two, even at Kurts prices).

I dunno about you but I have only watched most of my DVDs twice, maybe 3 times. I use them when guests are round, or the odd night in. They just dont seem like good value to me (except I buy mine evry cheap 'cos they're seconds or end-of-line at tescos).


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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:46:01 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

Take some sandwiches and a 2 Ltr bottle of coke. much cheaper.
Yea, so much for the family night out and the cinema experience.

If we want popcorn, we can make it at home. its fresher, and we can make it to taste.

Our family isnt hooked on the fast food, um, experience, in any case.

Anyways, what's the size of an average family in Northwich?

Dunno. I know a number of 5 member ones but a similar number of 3 member ones.

I make that about 12ukp.

Still 1/2 the price of many DVDs. Your argument is a lot better that Kurts though ;-)

Kurt is right, you're a miserable tight f*cker. I would hate you to be
my Dad :)

Hey dont knock being tight. I got a 28" TV for nothing a while back. it had been tossed out under 2 weeks old (still smelled of plastic). It had been rained on but otherwise was cosmetically perfect. I quick application of the soldering iron and a smidge of flux/fresh solder to the v-scan coil connector on the mobo fixed it permanently.

btw fix your newsreader, it's bloody awful.

I have to be fair, the formatting isnt sylpheeds fault. I need to send some stuff unformatted, and I keep forgetting to turn auto-linewrap back on.

If you want to bash sylpheed, take a good laugh at how long it takes to sort the displaylists. A BBC micro could do the job faster.



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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:20:51 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:

I meant the *film* which has been out since last year. I didnt
actually look to see if it was released, I had assumed it would be by
now.

I was wondering when your next disingenuos statement would arrive. We
were talking about DVDs, not films. I presume that you are well
aquainted with the delay that is normal between a film's theatrical
release and the resultant DVD.

Just surprised how long its taken this one, especially as it wasnt that
great anyhow.

I can burn my own *DVD*s for less than half that, complete with case
and printed insert / cover. (if I wanted to). They can manufacture
them for a tiny fraction of that even. I wouldnt mind betteing they
have approaching 10000% markup on a full price release.

That is the manufacturing costs of the DVD media, not the film itself.

Very true. but I note you didnt disagree with my quoted ~10000% markup
estimate...

A film has to gross at least 4 times its budget before it is classed
as being in profit.

Any *good* film will make its money at the box office. A good number of
crap ones do too. Dont tell me that dvds need to make 10-30ukp profit to
keep the poor people in hollywood in business.

I consider 10 to 12 quid a reasonable price for a new
release, espcially with the value added features that are on the DVDs
these days.

What?

The people that make these films dont exactly live in two-up two-downs,
and I dont just mean the actors/actresses.

As to the 'value added', yes, some are really good, but 90% odd are just
lame interviews (usually badly dubbed/edited) and a copy of the
theatrical trailer. big whoop.

BTW I'm currently involved (albeit remotely) in the production of a
new film and I am starting to learn a lot about film production that I
never knew or realised. As I result I fully understand why your above
comment is one of a tight fisted know nothing.

You dont need to know anything about film production when you realise
the better (talented or known, you choose) actors actually park BOEING
707s in their backyard (alongside their lear-jet).

Someones making BIG money on these things. if you think its from the DVD
sales you're kidding yourself.

Thats 39.99 in tescos.

So? Most new releases in ASDA are 14.87 which puts your 30 quid
statement into the bollix bin.

Now whos disengenious? We were talking about the *box set* of futurama,
not just single disc releases.

Given your
propensity for being a skinflint I would have thought that you would
know where all the deals are, or are you too busy getting avis from
p2p?

I download ALL the movies I want, initially. there is *no way* I was
going to buy LoTR disc 1, 2, and 3 seperately, only to find the 'special
edition box set' released a couple of months later.

I'd have been really ****ed if I bought the matrix on DVD for example -
the picture quality is attrocious.

So you have stolen from places other than stores then?

Cant really say no as I download stuff from p2p. But if they would charge reasonable prices I'd buy the originals gladly.

I suspect I buy far more DVDs than you so don't ****ing lecture me you
arrogant little sprog.

probably. I dont regard a huge number of films as worth owning on any media.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:47:48 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

Season box-sets of Futurama can be bought online at Amazon for between
21.99 - 23 UKP - list price is quoted at 39.99 but who pays list
price these days?

How do you justify the price being that high even though? theres about
10ukp worth of material AND shipping in a 5 disc set *at most* (and
thats a generous estimate) so thats easily 200% profit.

its not like DVD sales paid for futurama after all...

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:34:49 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

If we want popcorn, we can make it at home. its fresher, and we can make it to taste.

You make (free) popcorn at home and then carry it in your anorak pocket
to the movie house - along with the sandwiches and coke? - ah!! there's
more than one anorak involved?

no. we take the coke and sandwiches/sweets/crisps/whatever. if we MUST have popcorn we buy it but not very often. We often make popcorn *at home to eat at home* though.

Our family isnt hooked on the fast food, um, experience, in any case.

Hooked?? who is talking about being hooked. I or my family aren't the
Mickey McD connoisseur but we sure have eaten such things, and so far
none of us have become addicted. You seem to be having difficulty with a
family night out and the cinema experience. Are you an orphan?

We've eaten at McDs. we dont really have a choice for burgers in town since we moved anyhow, as there isnt anything but the McD. Not even a BK.

You sound like a bit of a plonker, to me.

I, to be honest dont care what you think of me. What does matter to me is that I dont do anything outwardly offensive. I put my rubbish in bins, I pick up after my kids if they drop stuff and teach them not to. I tip workers who do a good job (eg. waiters etc.) and shop from local merchants where I can afford it.

Yea, well then, a family night out (even using your miserable figures)
could be somewhere between 12-20 quid. More (most likely) if they aren't
miserable *******s.

Didnt I say that? oh yes, right...

I make that about 12ukp.

....there.

Still 1/2 the price of many DVDs.

Only 1/2 the price based on your ridiculously silly 29.99 figure.

Which was the RRP and list price in tescos.

btw. Do you meet the rest of the family inside the theatre? :)

eh?

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:31:16 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:47:27 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

In uk.rec.audio Ian Molton wrote:

In northwich I could go to the cinema *ten* times for the same as it
costs me for a third-rate ****ty mastered DVD.

Only if you don't buy the popcorn and a large coke.

I dont buy food from the cinema. Thats what large jackets are for ;-)

I might have know that you're as crooked as you are stupid and
ignorant...........

Besides, many MANY films dont look as good on a TV size screen, and
DVDs look ****e on a big (like projection) screen anyway, if you're lucky
enough to have one.

They look as good as most of the prints you'll see at your local
fleapit - and that's without all the yapping and bag-scrunching.
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:44:26 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

How do you justify the price being that high even though?

Even though what?

I'm justifying anything. snip

If you're going to pick up my errors you could try to not make mistakes
in your comment...

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