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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:06:27 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

. I live with my partner and three kids. Away from my parents.

Would you say that an average size family?

My gut feeling is that its one kid on the high side where I live but
yeah, not far off.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:13:32 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

Oddly enough, most people dont like to sit near the front.

I wonder why?

Well one time I had these killer farts...


(just for the humour impaired, NO, I didnt *really* fart obnoxiously in
the cinema).

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:15:48 -0000, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:

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Please explain to me what they lose if I download something I would have
bought in Hong Kong and will not buy in the UK.

You have acquired a copyrighted, commercial recording that you haven't
paid for. The fact that you wouldn't buy it makes no difference --
copyright theft is copyright theft.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:26:12 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

Minimum say 20 quid for ya all to have a night out at the flicks?

.... or do you still get away with 3 quid and go on your own?

20ukp *if* we all go to McDs before or after. entrance is 3ukp per adult (1.50 kids) and currently one kid is free (well only 3 weeks old - we havent actually been in those 3 weeks anyway though).

sometimes I do go alone. My other half finds LoTR too scary and the kids are too young.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:34:27 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:

Out of interest, what region was the disc?

In the case of the 2 I quoted R1 from Canada. That price I quoted
included shipping BTW.

Ah, so a disc that whilst many her ecould buy it, would be useless to them?

compare like with like please. R2.

Probably 100ukp for someone like me to buy from RS or so, and given Arcam dont sell massive numbers, probably about 75ukp to them.

I rather doubt it even came close to 100 quid. I'd hazard a guess that
25 to 50 quid was closer to the mark.

Maybe. But bear in mind its old now, so the (two) DACs would be perhaps 20ukp each and it has TWO custom wound transformers in it.

"Value" is a purely subjective thing. It changes from person to person.
You are just someone who wants the most for the least without
understanding or caring about what it all entails.

You know nothing about me. I do care. I wont buy some products because I know they way they are produced causes damage (to people or fish or whatever). I dont always buy the cheapest, even if I might like to.

How much 'raw material' goes into whatever you produce?

None whatsoever. I charge an infinite markup. ;-)

A CD isn't just a little piece of plastic you know.

Really. **** man, I never realised there were all these, like, waveforms on it maan...

I had meant to say will break even at the box office (at least). yes, merchandising is massive.

As I said most films (probably around 90%) do not break even at the box
office.

Probably about 90% are garbage. that fits nicely.

Nope. I live with my partner and three kids. Away from my parents.

So why do you act like a spoilt little brat?

To get a rise out of dicks like you.


featurettes cost money to create.

Not very much for most, judging by the quality. a lot look like they were filmed by the directors mates 5 year old daughter.

Why do you consistantly fail to separate product from media?

I wasnt in that case. Pray explain why you see adverts like 'Film XXX Video: 8.99 DVD 15.99' ?

same content (bar some CRAP featurettes on the DVD and some trailers on the VHS) but the cheaper one in media costs is sold for more.

I recon LoTR proved how well you can do without big names.

It depends on the film, a mega star would have been inappropriate for
that film.

Not to mention their acting would have been no better.

The value of that star is therefore based on a lot more
things than just acting ability.

Not to me. I dont know the names of most movie stars and I dont care.

If they act well, thats all that matters to me.

You really have no idea how this stuff works do you?

Sure I do, just different ideas of what make for value in a film.

I download ALL the movies I want, initially. there is *no way* I was
going to buy LoTR disc 1, 2, and 3 seperately, only to find the
'special edition box set' released a couple of months later.

If you already had 1,2 and 3 why would you want the special box set?

As you well know, special or 2nd editions almost always have either more video, better sound, better video, more features (in the case of LoTR, probably worth having), or any combination of the above.

Not always, but as you've already decried the extras then what
difference does it make to you?

MOST of the time, yes (and I wrote that earlier, this is not a backtrack). In the case of LoTR, the special edition of TTT was much better.

So far I have the EE of both released LOTR DVDs, I have no intention of
buying a 'special box set version'.

bully for you.

As for the better sound, what are you going to do play them back through
your DAC? I haven't heard you mention any AV amps that could benefit
from that "improved sound".

I play my personal films on my linux box (which is where I have the DAC and nice monitor hooked up.

family films are played on the PS2 on the TV.

I thought it was clear I didnt have the upgrade bug, having not bought the original version...

It isn't a question of buying, it's a question of wanting.

wanting the best first time round is not the same as wanting better because you bought ****.

If I wanted the lowest prices possible, I'd demand CDs for 10p per disc and DVDs for about a quid.

I pay 10p for CDs now. They are blank, but I accept that I get what I
pay for.

I wouldnt expect content on a 10p CD. that was my point. Can you read?

Im willing to pay 3-5UKP for a CD and 5-12ukp for a DVD (12 would be something like a set of all 3 LoTR)

I'm willing to pay 10 quid for a Ferrari but I don't expect it to happen
anytime soon.

Heh. I wish :)

I download them, if they look like they are worth buying, I buy them (if I can find them at a reasonable price).

So how many MP3s do you currently have on your premises compared to how
many legitimate CDs? Incidentally I'm not expecting an honest answer.

I thought we were talking about films. I have about 50 DVDs. I have about 40 divxs, about 10 of which overlapp the DVDs, and the rest I havent had time to watch yet. (I only just watched all my DVD collection this morning.

As to MP3s... I have perhaps 150 CDs (not counted), so about 1500 tracks. I just counted my mp3 collection at almost 6000 tracks, 1500 of which came from my CD collection.

There's a burgeoning second hand DVD market you know.

Really. I wonder where Im getting those 5ukp DVDs then? Gosh, look at that, they're factory reconditioned...

So why complain about the price of DVDs then?

Because not all of them are priced reasonably.

Anyway the upshot is you were talking **** about 30 quid DVDs.

39.99, actually, and you can check for yourself in tescos.

You quoted 29.99 at the start of this. Please make your mind up.

Typo. wanna make something of it ?

He hasnt apologised to me, despite being downright rude (and wrong).

Has it ever occurred to you that your attitude may bring out the worst
in people?

Probably. but being a lousy judge of social situations I settle for telling things *exactly* how I see them.

I don't understand the techno-bollox you have been spouting but I did
notice your back track about speaking theoretically.

I never mentioned a specific device in the first place so I dont see how I could have been speaking anything but theoretically.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:20:40 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

It can be
clearly demonstrated that most DVDs cost nowhere near 29.99.

What region ?

You seem to have a hang-up about region.

Not at all. my player on linux can play any region without even having a region unlocked player.

Ever hear of multi-region DVDP?

yes. not everyone has one by any stretch of the immagination.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:31:13 +0000
The Artist wrote:

We've eaten at McDs. we dont really have a choice for burgers in town since we moved anyhow, as there isnt anything but the McD. Not even a BK.

Did you say you moved *to* Northwich? If so, have you tried Castle?
Burger's, pizza's, curries a plenty..

Not that near to castle sadly, and I dont have a car... Long way to walk for a burger :)

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:27:50 +0000
The Artist wrote:

Hey dont knock being tight. I got a 28" TV for nothing a while back.
it had been tossed out under 2 weeks old (still smelled of plastic).

Um.. why and where do people do that? If I buy electric goods and they
turn out to be faulty, my favourite technique of dealing with the
situation is taking it back to the retailer for a replacement/refund.

God knows. it cant have been wanted, it was jumbled in a big pile of garbage bags and had been rained on.

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:33:41 +0000
The Artist wrote:

I try not to go when theres a lot of people there, and I like to sit near the front
to fill my field of view. Oddly enough, most people dont like to sit near the front.

There's nobody to throw peanuts at from the front..

you aim a peanut mortar over your head. no-one suspects either, which is fun :)

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:23:50 +0000
The Artist wrote:

In northwich I could go to the cinema *ten* times for the same as it
costs me for a third-rate ****ty mastered DVD.

Local lad eh?

Only if you're local too :)

Aaah yes -- the Regal. It's cheap alright. Never been
very impressed by the projection quality at Regal One - seems like
there are constantly pubic hairs in the gate.

They must have fired that projectionist - Ive never seen that...

(most titles hit the market at about 29.99 and it costs 3.00 to get
into my local cinema.)

I think you'll find it's gone up, mate.. unless you are getting a
student discount or something?

I paid 3.00 to see TRoTK. has it gone up since? I heard they werent
allowed to charge more or something.

BTW, you'll find DVD new releases are under £19.99 if you go to Music
Zone. You know - the one slap bang in the town centre :-)

Im not buying new ones unless they are something special. I can get
older ones for under a fiver in tescos :)

(I'll be buying LoTR special edition box set :)

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