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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:14:10 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

You might be interested to know that I conducted some fairly public
comparisons of Audio CDRs made from the 'same' WAVs and MP3s about a year
ago which involved friends and family (and one or two regulars here).
*Nobody* was easily able to tell the difference and given a hearing of only
one disc they were not able to say which it was.

Indeed. Hardly surprising then, that the mp3 standard was designed with several bitrates available, with 320kbps being TESTED as inaudibly different.

I dont think VBR was considered at the time, but ony due to the computational difficulty in creating it.

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:36:17 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

cut

Yes, quite.

Lets just say that I find the idea of getting a hard on from watching someone breastfeed childish and somewhat distasteful.

The characteristic of breasts that DONT have a baby attached to them I find attractive sexually, though, like most of us here.

Can you see the distinction there now ?

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:50:24 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

Good for her. expressing is more painful, so the fact she did it
rather than giving up is comendable. Its sad that there isnt better
training available for mothers in the UK

She/We went to it all, before the birth, whole bit :)

and then and afterwards, absolutely nothing wrong with the
"training" the information or back-up, it was all a first class
service we received. No complaints.

Perhaps Your wife is one of the unlucky 5%. I dont claim to know.

though. in well over 95% of cases
difficulty is bad latch, which can be avoided with proper training.

I told my wife that many times during her difficulties,

That was your first mistake ;-))

(after all I had been through "the training" also)

I hadnt. We received none, for any of our three. apalling.

My knoowledge comes from research , particularly a study showing that in
Norway, where all this is done *properly* they really do have a 95%
success rate.

she told me to - **** OFF !!
and mind my own business (go play with my hi-fi, or summit) as I
hadn't a clue what I was talking about, and if I could do any
better, then feel welcome and try!!

..... I believe she would say the same to you.

She can try talking to my partner then, for that unbiased female
perspective...

I wouldnt dream of telling a woman how to breastfeed.

I still maintain the training offered here is inadequate, nonetheless.
Certainly one on one training *after the birth* as given in Norway is
nonexistant here.

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"Ian Molton" wrote


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I play the data directly into the dac from my PC, via an optical
SP/DIF link.


So do I, via a coax cable, then into a valve amp for a big, bold, bouncy
sound - swipe a bunch of 'em, hit Return and you get hours of *chosen* music
without having to wipe a record, cue it up and flip it over every 20-25
minutes! (WTF am I saying....????)

OK, seriously, WAVs recorded from vinyl are so damn close they easily make a
better alternative to the radio (when it's gone all yakkity yak or playing
dross) - I like to leave the 'stylus going on' noise and 'end of record'
run-off noise for that little authentic extra touch. (Takes a couple of goes
to stop me running to lift the arm at the end of the record though!)

Time for bed now (only been an 20.5 hour day.......!!!)

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:14:10 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

You might be interested to know that I conducted some fairly public
comparisons of Audio CDRs made from the 'same' WAVs and MP3s about a
year
ago which involved friends and family (and one or two regulars here).
*Nobody* was easily able to tell the difference and given a hearing of
only
one disc they were not able to say which it was.

Indeed. Hardly surprising then, that the mp3 standard was designed with
several bitrates available, with 320kbps being TESTED as inaudibly
different.

I dont think VBR was considered at the time, but ony due to the
computational difficulty in creating it.



Nope, the vast majority of my MP3s are 128K CBR - for best quality/filesize
combination for car/portable mainly but they still sound fine DACced and
VACced!

If I want better resolution (like vinyl rips for 'indoor' use) I stick with
the raw WAVs.

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:32:52 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:


Nope, the vast majority of my MP3s are 128K CBR - for best
quality/filesize combination for car/portable mainly but they still
sound fine DACced and VACced!

I cant agree there. I can usually tell a 128kbit CBR mp3. they sound
sorta flat.

a 192kbit variable on a good encoder though is a hard thing to tell from
the original, usually.

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:23:00 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:

Go take a look at Message-ID:
then come back here and apologise.

Hm. I see we ended up talking at cross purposes. My 39.99 was accurate and not as I assuemd, a typo. I was talking about the RRP of the Futurama box set, I think it was stewart brought into this.

hence when you said 30ukp, I corrected that (although you were referring not to this but my original comment about 29.99UKP DVDs).

When you 'corrected' my 'correction', I assumed you had the right price (why try to correct it), and thus assumed I made a typo earlier.

Now I see we are at cross purposes, I think we can both step back from this one?

(no, thats not an apology. Merely I think I worked out just WTF was going on)

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 02:23:00 +0000
Kurt Hamster wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 01:59:17 +0000, Ian Molton used
to say...

Well you can tell you're a computer geek with an 80s upbringing.

bloody hell you read the first paragraph on my website. congratulations.

Oh, sorry I forgot you don't have any need for multichannel sound
etc. A compressed Xvid or whatever is *adequate* for you isn't it?

*need* a movie? of course I dont.

Parse error! You can't read can you, admit it?

pardon?

if you're going to try and say you were talking purely about sound to
worm out of that one, I'll point out you refer to Xvid, a movie format.

I do what I can with what I can afford.

It still doesn't stop you lecturing on the necessity of accuracy
though does it?

The fact I dont have a 16" telescope wouldnt prevent me telling people
that you need a pretty damn good mirror in it to be able to see anything
worth a ****. I dont see your point.

Apparently you don't have anything that gets anywhere near accurate
reproduction.

I recon my ARCAM DBB3 and Radford Monitor 1 speakers arent bad. My Aiwa
A25 struggles a bit though.

Bleh. I bet you couldnt tell the difference between your gear and
mine in a dbt anyhow.

Well the sound coming from the rear left, rear right, rear centre,
front centre and SW maybe a bit of a give away don't you think?

Evidently I refer to stereo gear here. duh. I think even my mother could
tell the difference between 2 and 7 speakers...

Er. I've seen the same disc in many standalone players and Xine ?
duh.

Yeah right.

Why would you not believe that?

I never claimes I required perfection every moment of the day. If I
did I wouldnt be downloading stuff at all.

No, you merely lectured that it should be aspired to. It's a shame you
don't take your own advice.

Sure it should. if I could AFFORD to blow money on ANOTHER DVD plaer for
the front room I would do so.

great. S I'll get the R1 special edition box set. sorted.

For a skinflint you seem to want to do it the expensive way. Mind you
by-and-large intellectuals never do have much common sense.

Huh? The R1 box set will probably cost me LESS to import than buying the
R2 discs seperately or boxed here.

When I got my Bab5 series 1 set I bought it from germany. Inc. shipping
cost me 20ukp for 6? discs. Compared to 80ukp here at the time (best
price I could find).

If I wanted the lowest prices possible, I'd demand CDs for 10p per
disc and DVDs for about a quid.

And if you hadnt cut my text short youd know I also wrote that I
*dont* consider those prices reasonable for a disc with actual
content on it, you muppet.

Bollox. Lying to get out your own hole eh?

WTF are you on about?

The full quote is... Message-ID:


"If I wanted the lowest prices possible, I'd demand CDs for 10p per
disc and DVDs for about a quid.

Yes, note: I wrote *IF* I wanted the lowest price Id demand...

followed by:-

Im willing to pay 3-5UKP for a CD and 5-12ukp for a DVD (12 would be
something like a set of all 3 LoTR)"

Which rathter suggests that I am happy to pay for the conent and not just the bare media.

No mention of reasonable and/or content.

You think I'd pay 12UKP for a BLANK DVD? come on man, thats not even funny.

Don't **** with me son, I've been doing this a long time.

Yeah, it really shows. not.

Good god. you actually think Im playing a CD player into my dac? you
idiot! I play the data directly into the dac from my PC, via an
optical SP/DIF link.

LMAO, It gets ****ing better. You really are a dick of the highest
order aren't you?

And you had the temerity to lecture me on how hifi should be linear
and accurate and you've got that crap hangin off the end of a
computer.

care to explain why you think the computer is a worse source than a CD player? its electrically isolated from the analogue chain, and the clock driving the SP/DIF is certainly frequency accurate to a far better degree than any human hearing can discern. As to jitter, I think its pretty well been hashed out in another thread that its easily eliminated in a good DAC, and its debateable as to wether humans can hear it anyway. besides, if my PC SP/DIF had even approaching a problematic level of jitter it would have been sent back as faulty.

Come on then, take a shot. Tell me whats wrong with:

Source: up to 48kHz samplerate, 16 bit.
Interconnect: optic fibre, 3m length of TOSLINK grade fibre.
DAC: ARCAM Delta BB3
Amp: Aiwa A25 (this is probably an easy target. its my stop gap since my rotel died).
Speakers: Radford Monitor 1 (stereo pair)

I'd be happy to hear what you think sucks about it.

The point is that my theoretical stuff actually WORKS in practice in
the real world, it would seem.

From what the others were saying, it isn't practiced in the real world
so how would you know?

Apparently it works rather well in practice in meridians DACs.

I'll bet your partner relishes your lectures on the best way to breast
feed too.

What lectures? In any case, most of my information about it came from her in the first place.

$DEITY help you when your kids are teenagers.

dont pretend to be a computer expert, it doesnt suit you.

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:16:19 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:

What lectures? In any case, most of my information about it came from her in the first place.


From her? But you said ....

"My knoowledge comes from research, particularly a study showing that in
Norway, where all this is done *properly* they really do have a 95%
success rate."

ambiguous wording I agree.

To clarify - she found the study, and told me about it.

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On Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:24:22 +0000
Ronnie McKinley wrote:


So in fact you didn't do any research after all? So in short you don't
really know what you are talking about?

On the assumption my partner knows what shes talking about (having done it successfully three times) I think I can say her information is likely correct.

I think my wife would say two words to you.

Charming.

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