.....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

I'm auditioning a pair of B&W DM2As and I have to say I'm *very* impressed.
Talk about size and weight - my Ruark floorstanders weigh 28 kg eack, these
muthas (standmounters, mind) only weigh 22.2 kg each.....!!!

Does anybody know anything about these? Were/are they rated? (I gather they
are from about 1975, but as Michael Caine once so famously stated - they're
in lovely condition...)

I've got the manual which is full of techie stuff like a Buel & Kjaer
readout (right hand speaker only) and 'polar response' charts but it doesn't
state a straightforward Sensitivity Figure other than to say:

"Sensitivity - 13 watts into nominal 8 ohm impedance required to produce a
sound pressure level of 95 dB at one metre at 400 Hz."

What does this translate into?

I already know they are pretty sensitive because they are *well large* at a
relatively low volume setting on a 4 watt amp despite a recommended rating
of 25 to 60 wpc! (Book also says impedance never drops below 7 or rises
above 22 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz**)


**which is nice! :-)

hmmm nice IKEA hi-hi unit or should that be veg rack lol

is it ok?
"Keith G" wrote in message
...
....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

I'm auditioning a pair of B&W DM2As and I have to say I'm *very*
impressed.
Talk about size and weight - my Ruark floorstanders weigh 28 kg eack,
these
muthas (standmounters, mind) only weigh 22.2 kg each.....!!!

Does anybody know anything about these? Were/are they rated? (I gather
they
are from about 1975, but as Michael Caine once so famously stated -
they're
in lovely condition...)

I've got the manual which is full of techie stuff like a Buel & Kjaer
readout (right hand speaker only) and 'polar response' charts but it
doesn't
state a straightforward Sensitivity Figure other than to say:

"Sensitivity - 13 watts into nominal 8 ohm impedance required to produce a
sound pressure level of 95 dB at one metre at 400 Hz."

What does this translate into?

I already know they are pretty sensitive because they are *well large* at
a
relatively low volume setting on a 4 watt amp despite a recommended rating
of 25 to 60 wpc! (Book also says impedance never drops below 7 or rises
above 22 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz**)


**which is nice! :-)









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In article , Keith G wrote:
....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

I'm auditioning a pair of B&W DM2As ...

Nice driver line-up for the day and eighth-wave transmission line loading
(compare for example to some IMF TLS designs).

"Sensitivity - 13 watts into nominal 8 ohm impedance required to produce a
sound pressure level of 95 dB at one metre at 400 Hz."

What does this translate into?

About 84 dB for normal sensitivity specifications. (Reference is SPL
at 1 metre for a nominal 1 Watt: 13 Watts is +11 dB ref 1 Watt so you
have to take 11 dB from the 95 dB to normalize it).

The brochure in the B&W archive gives 9.2 V RMS pink noise for 95 dB
SPL which translates to a sensitivity of about 85 dB at 2.83 V RMS
(the nominal 1 Watt/8 ohms).

I already know they are pretty sensitive ...

I have to say that 84 - 85 dB is not what I usually consider as sensitive
although the impedance curve is undoubtedly valve-friendly.

--
John Phillips

Keith G wrote:

....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

I'm auditioning a pair of B&W DM2As and I have to say I'm *very*
impressed. Talk about size and weight - my Ruark floorstanders weigh 28 kg
eack, these muthas (standmounters, mind) only weigh 22.2 kg each.....!!!

Does anybody know anything about these? Were/are they rated? (I gather
they are from about 1975, but as Michael Caine once so famously stated -
they're in lovely condition...)


They will probably sound very bass heavy stuck in the corner as in the pic.

Ian

Keith G wrote:
....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

What does this translate into?

I already know they are pretty sensitive because they are *well
large* at a relatively low volume setting on a 4 watt amp despite a
recommended rating of 25 to 60 wpc! (Book also says impedance never
drops below 7 or rises above 22 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz**)


**which is nice! :-)

I had a pair for years only just sold them

They are mid 70's not sure of price but where not cheap

The guy who bought them off me, saw them at Hi Fi show when they first came
out, but could not afford them

I think I sold them for what they cost new.

Some are filled with a strange foam that breaks down and goes hard they
sound bad

Not many made with it, but if they have it in you can replace it


--
Dave xxxx
www.davewhitter.myby.co.uk

Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
Steam is Fun

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:22:59 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

I'm auditioning a pair of B&W DM2As and I have to say I'm *very* impressed.
Talk about size and weight - my Ruark floorstanders weigh 28 kg eack, these
muthas (standmounters, mind) only weigh 22.2 kg each.....!!!

Does anybody know anything about these? Were/are they rated? (I gather they
are from about 1975, but as Michael Caine once so famously stated - they're
in lovely condition...)

Very much a B&W version of the Spendor BC1, but with quite different
(and tighter) bass balance. A nice speaker, but never achieved
'classic' status.

I've got the manual which is full of techie stuff like a Buel & Kjaer
readout (right hand speaker only) and 'polar response' charts but it doesn't
state a straightforward Sensitivity Figure other than to say:

"Sensitivity - 13 watts into nominal 8 ohm impedance required to produce a
sound pressure level of 95 dB at one metre at 400 Hz."

What does this translate into?

A pretty insensitive 84dB/w/m, so you'd need a good 60-watter to
achieve decent sound levels.

I already know they are pretty sensitive because they are *well large* at a
relatively low volume setting on a 4 watt amp despite a recommended rating
of 25 to 60 wpc! (Book also says impedance never drops below 7 or rises
above 22 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz**)

That doesn't make sense, unless you like listening at low levels, or
you are using a weedy valve amp which gets dragged down by modern 3-6
ohm designs. I've had a couple of older B&W speakers (they weren't old
at the time, of course!), and high sensitivity was never a feature.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

"Seroxat Mad" wrote in message
...
hmmm nice IKEA hi-hi unit or should that be veg rack lol


Larf all you like mon ami - with up to 6 pieces of valve amplification on
it, my kit weighs a ton and can get hotter'n Satan's arse if I've got two
pairs of speakers with two lots of amplification on the go - lots of little
red-hot bits, see?**

My chromed steel racks (with painted concrete paving slab toppings) cost not
much over £30 each from *Argos* and cause me a lot less concern/expense than
some ****tish 'hifi equipment rack' featuring wooden bits and a lot of
glass...


**been logged as a 'geothermal anomaly' by NASA satellites twice already....

"John Phillips" wrote



About 84 dB for normal sensitivity specifications. (Reference is SPL
at 1 metre for a nominal 1 Watt: 13 Watts is +11 dB ref 1 Watt so you
have to take 11 dB from the 95 dB to normalize it).

The brochure in the B&W archive gives 9.2 V RMS pink noise for 95 dB
SPL which translates to a sensitivity of about 85 dB at 2.83 V RMS
(the nominal 1 Watt/8 ohms).

I already know they are pretty sensitive ...

I have to say that 84 - 85 dB is not what I usually consider as sensitive
although the impedance curve is undoubtedly valve-friendly.


Yes, delete my earlier remark about sensitivity - substitute 'it doesn't
seem to matter much what speakers (84, 88, 89, 91.5 dB and a pair of horns)
I use or which amp (4wpc or 32 wpc). the volume setting always ends up at
the 10/11 o' clock mark!!

???

"Dave xxxx" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

What does this translate into?

I already know they are pretty sensitive because they are *well
large* at a relatively low volume setting on a 4 watt amp despite a
recommended rating of 25 to 60 wpc! (Book also says impedance never
drops below 7 or rises above 22 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz**)


**which is nice! :-)

I had a pair for years only just sold them

They are mid 70's not sure of price but where not cheap

The guy who bought them off me, saw them at Hi Fi show when they first
came
out, but could not afford them

I think I sold them for what they cost new.


How much was that then?

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:22:59 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

....of speakers.

(OK, wot were *you* thinking of ??)

See http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/keit...w/speakers.jpg

I'm auditioning a pair of B&W DM2As and I have to say I'm *very*
impressed.
Talk about size and weight - my Ruark floorstanders weigh 28 kg eack,
these
muthas (standmounters, mind) only weigh 22.2 kg each.....!!!

Does anybody know anything about these? Were/are they rated? (I gather
they
are from about 1975, but as Michael Caine once so famously stated -
they're
in lovely condition...)

Very much a B&W version of the Spendor BC1, but with quite different
(and tighter) bass balance. A nice speaker, but never achieved
'classic' status.

I've got the manual which is full of techie stuff like a Buel & Kjaer
readout (right hand speaker only) and 'polar response' charts but it
doesn't
state a straightforward Sensitivity Figure other than to say:

"Sensitivity - 13 watts into nominal 8 ohm impedance required to produce
a
sound pressure level of 95 dB at one metre at 400 Hz."

What does this translate into?

A pretty insensitive 84dB/w/m, so you'd need a good 60-watter to
achieve decent sound levels.


Quite possibly in Pinkerton Towers, sadly not the case in my listening
room/cubicle/kiosk/booth/empty fag-packet.....


I already know they are pretty sensitive because they are *well large* at
a
relatively low volume setting on a 4 watt amp despite a recommended
rating
of 25 to 60 wpc! (Book also says impedance never drops below 7 or rises
above 22 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz**)

That doesn't make sense, unless you like listening at low levels, or
you are using a weedy valve amp which gets dragged down by modern 3-6
ohm designs.


......where it doesn't seem to matter much (from a 'volume' POV) what amp or
speakers I'm using (see other post) and I could lay 60 (valve) watts to
them, if I needed to.....